Obama is the presumptive democratic nominee

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Molgan

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LOL, and when and how long have you been studying textual criticism?[/IMG]
I have studied a lot, but I guess we can never fully avoid letting our believes taint our conclusions. ;) I come from a Christian family, my dad was a vicar and he spent his whole life studying the texts. I also did some studies, but it turned me into an atheist. So where he found proof for his faith I found proof for it being a big man made hoax. But if you have studied the NT carefully you must agree to this: Calling another religion murderous isn't very "Christ-like"?

Btw, you should read more comics instead of those old sleeping pills you got there, would be good for you. =)
 

Lizard Of Oz

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So what if they do that? It's their news channel and they can run it any way they like. If they get the viewership, and they do, it is serving a purpose. Same goes for CNN and all the other mainstream national news networks.

Sounds like capitalism at its finest. If you're saying the rich don't care if they stick to the poor, you might be surprised at how many extremely wealthy persons in this country are Democrats.

Seems to be a lot on misconceptions going on here.

I never implied that they shouldn't have the right to broadcast what they want. I was simply pointing out that Fox is, by design, the mouth-piece of the far right. At least in most other broadcast news the bias is, for the most part, unintentional. I only wish FNC had the balls to admit what it is; the propaganda arm of the RNC. It saddens and scares me a little to think that there are people who's only "news" source is FNC.

I don't care if people are rich, and I don't think that they should be made to shoulder a greater tax burden because they are rich, but rather because they can better afford it. A 5% tax increase on somebody with millions or billions isn't going to break them, but a 5% tax increase in somebody in my income bracket can mean the difference between being able to make a mortgage payment or not.

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Just you all know my political leaning...

  • Anti - Abortion
  • Anti - Death Penalty
  • Pro - Gun
  • Anti - Illegal Immigrant amnesty
  • Pro - Heavy fines for those that employ illegals
  • Pro - Guest Worker program with citizenship path.
  • Pro - Universal healthcare
  • Anti - Insurance company based Universal Healthcare
  • Pro - Taxing the living bejebbus out of companies that export jobs.
  • Pro - Heavily fining companies that hide assets in "offshore" accounts.
  • Pro - Unions
  • Anti - Unions that abuse their power for ridiculous wages and perks.
  • Pro - Environment
  • Pro - Intelligent and responsible use of natural resources. (i.e., go ahead, drill in Anwar, just don't screw it up).
  • Anti -War in Iraq
  • Pro - War in Afghanistan
  • Anti - Random drug testing of government employees unless it applies to Presidents, Senators, Governors, Judges, Etc... as well
  • Pro - Marijuana Legalization or at least be fair and outlaw alcohol (a far more insidious and dangerous drug).
  • Anti - You can't smoke (tobacco) in restaurants/bars/businesses laws.
  • Anti - "Hate-Crime" laws.
  • Pro - Frivolous lawsuit penalties. (i.e. You bring a silly case to court, you get fined)
  • Anti - "I'm stupid lawsuits". (i.e. you fall off the top step of a ladder and sue the manufacturer for it) See "Frivolous lawsuit penalties" above.
  • Pro - You sue somebody and lose, you must pay all court cost, the sued legal defense cost and compensate them for their time.
  • Pro - Net neutrality.
  • Anti- Net censorship
  • Pro - Secular state
  • Anti - Theocracy
  • Anti - Video game censorship (and the parents that refuse to parent)
  • Pro- Video game ratings (and parents who parent)

I'd say I'm a left leaning moderate.
 
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Who cares? I care only about what I feel is an appropriate delivery of the news. By your vision, the only "decent" news channel is one that leans to the left. I honestly have not seen any news channel that is completely unbiased in its entire programming lineup. Therefore, my choice being different from your choice is just that, MY CHOICE. If you dingbats want to bash me because I'm not some tree hugging, non-bathing, dope smoking, johnson sucking peacenik, then feel free to do so.

As much as a lot of you guys claim the right is a bunch on intolerant a-holes, I'm seeing more evidence of such intolerance right here by those who hate the right.

Oh God...

I know barely any 'decent' news channels, but YOUR CHOICE is paticularily bad. Anyway, picking your sole news sources in the knowledge that they will be totally skewed and biased seems pretty dumb.
 

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Oh God...

I know barely any 'decent' news channels, but YOUR CHOICE is paticularily bad. Anyway, picking your sole news sources in the knowledge that they will be totally skewed and biased seems pretty dumb.
Decent in your opinion. Listen numbnuts, I get my information from all over the world, as I generally dig out sources. But, as for watching any particular "news" channel, I'll stick to Fox.

If you want to have some fantasy about me being some 6th grade education level idiot who lives in a trailer park in rural Arkansas, watches the 700 Club and Fox News, so be it.

Lizard, if FNC has to admit it leans to the right, well then I want the other channels to admit to leaning left. Seems fair to me.
 
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Decent in your opinion. Listen numbnuts, I get my information from all over the world, as I generally dig out sources. But, as for watching any particular "news" channel, I'll stick to Fox.

In alot of peoples opinion's, actually. But I fail to see whats the point of making clear the obvious. If you supposedly 'dig out sources' yet are still watching Fox for news, its hard to imagine how obvious contradictions don't start apearing in your head!


If you want to have some fantasy about me being some 6th grade education level idiot who lives in a trailer park in rural Arkansas, watches the 700 Club and Fox News, so be it.
Since I never mentioned anything like that... Well whatever crack you're on!

Lizard, if FNC has to admit it leans to the right, well then I want the other channels to admit to leaning left. Seems fair to me.

Emmm they don't lean to the left so much as they're just slightly less right wing than Fox. Generally news channels and the media are pretty right wing, pro business etc etc

Tales about the liberal media are greatly exagerated :D
 
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Haha... Crotale... when you're talking to gregori, you have to remember that even the far left in the U.S. is borderline right for him (iirc). Just to give you some perspective:

gregori-------------far left (US)----Democratic Party----|----Republican Party----far right (US)

I am aware that the Fox News Channel airs a lot of editorial programs that slant to the right. I don't watch any of it enough to know whether or not the actual news stories are treated in the same manner. It would be interesting to see someone pick a story - any story - from the Fox News Channel online and then dissect it, pointing out what about it is incomplete.

Any takers?
 

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Haha... Crotale... when you're talking to gregori, you have to remember that even the far left in the U.S. is borderline right for him (iirc). Just to give you some perspective:

gregori-------------far left (US)----Democratic Party----|----Republican Party----far right (US)

but that's true in general. US politicians are alot more leaning to the right than for example German politicians. That's why I have to laugh when people like crotale run around mumbling about " 'dem damn liberals". It's just lesser evils.
 

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Aha, thanks for the info, Hal. Now I know I've been conversing with an extremist who feels that his views are mainstream.
 

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Haha... Crotale... when you're talking to gregori, you have to remember that even the far left in the U.S. is borderline right for him (iirc). Just to give you some perspective:

gregori-------------far left (US)----Democratic Party----|----Republican Party----far right (US)

Democratic Party, the Far Left?

Oh Please...
 

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Lizard, if FNC has to admit it leans to the right, well then I want the other channels to admit to leaning left. Seems fair to me.

The difference is that the other channels may lean left, but unlike FNC, it's not intentional.

Example: FNC recently hired Karl Rove, and man who is about far-right as it gets. CNN hired Tony Snow, a right-winger. Which channel do think is at least trying to be Fair & Balanced™.
 

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Example: FNC recently hired Karl Rove, and man who is about far-right as it gets. CNN hired Tony Snow, a right-winger.

I understand that Karl Rove is an "analyst", or a personality a news agency would hire for professional opinion on news stories. He's not someone hired to present straight news.

On the flip side, Fox News hires people like Susan Esterich, Geraldine Ferraro, Bob Beckel, and Alan Colmes... certainly not conservatives.

I wouldn't get to bent out of shape because each network is hiring personalities it thinks it needs for commentary. I'd worry more about the accuracy of what is being said.

I'd still like to see someone take a Fox News story and point out what is inaccurate about it. I'm not defending the network - I don't spend a lot of time watching news on television. I just suspect that people get worked up because of the commentary shows broadcast on the major "news" channels.
 

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I'd still like to see someone take a Fox News story and point out what is inaccurate about it. I'm not defending the network - I don't spend a lot of time watching news on television. I just suspect that people get worked up because of the commentary shows broadcast on the major "news" channels.

How about when Fox reported that Obama had attended a Muslim fundamentalist's school as child without doing ANY investigation on the allegation? CNN didn't make that mistake.

How about Fox reporting that the story of Obama attending the above mentioned school came from the H. Clinton camp, when in reality it came from a right-wing newspaper?

But, accuracy is not the main problem, it's what they choose and not choose to report and how they present it.

Scooter Libby is not a criminal, he's just had some trial troubles.

Which is funnier: McCain is old and frail, or Obama has a tiny medical history?

And my favorite... Terrorist Fist Jab

To be Fair & Balanced™, she later apologized for the remark.
 

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How about when Fox reported that Obama had attended a Muslim fundamentalist's school as child without doing ANY investigation on the allegation? CNN didn't make that mistake.

How about Fox reporting that the story of Obama attending the above mentioned school came from the H. Clinton camp, when in reality it came from a right-wing newspaper?

But, accuracy is not the main problem, it's what they choose and not choose to report and how they present it.

Scooter Libby is not a criminal, he's just had some trial troubles.

Which is funnier: McCain is old and frail, or Obama has a tiny medical history?

And my favorite... Terrorist Fist Jab

To be Fair & Balanced™, she later apologized for the remark.

I dunno... I didn't see the bit about Obama's school, either on CNN or Fox News. I can't really comment on what either of them said, although a quick Google reveals some conflicting stories http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm . It's kind of a silly thing to be worked up about either way.

All of those clips look to me like someone reaching really hard to find anything... anything wrong with the Fox News channel. It looks like more of an attempt at humor - or playing up to the home crowd or something...

I was really hoping someone could find a story and then point out what was wrong with it. I hear Fox News this, Fox News that an awful lot and was sure someone could come up with something good so it could be settled once and for all.
 

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The whole Libby thing was just a witch hunt driven by political motives and is a complete mockery of the justice system, sorta like this one,
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2833479

And wow, "LiberalViewer" on Youtube is just as bad as the tinfoil-hat-wearing people who think everything slanted. The Fox anchor said they were going to break, and the clip of John Stewart was a quick segue to the break, like they normally do, have a video clip or something interesting play as they fade out to commercial. It's probably how they make so much money, they keep their audience attentive during commercials. :p

As for fist jab, she was discussing what some were calling it, while even smirking about it, showing she didn't think was "Obama truly is a terrorist, see here, he's doing that terrorist sign!" and then she even later clarified because Youtube move-on-dot-org-ites and their cohorts probably once again twisted a comical news story.

Olberman!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuj7iAA-eOw

John Gibson calls out Olberman?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ3UBYOq4CM&feature=related

Olberman caught lying,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpU1znOqOSs&feature=related

This guy is a breath of fresh air though. :) (CNN)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV1jq7xZYcI&feature=related
 
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"we'll show you some interesting body communication to show you what it really said."
"what it really said"

What it really said? Doesn't sound like she thinks its the new equivalent to a high five.

That fist jab thing was fairly recent and didn't take some "digging to dis fox."
 

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Barak Obama is actually Decoy Octopus! I knew it!!!!
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Lizard Of Oz

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That website is VERY anti-Obama, so it's no surprise that they're perpetuating this misconception.


The clips I linked were just the ones I found funny. View the up-loaders many other videos. And yes, some are a stretch, but if you look at them as a whole you will see the obvious FNC ("News" not just "Political Pundit" shows) campaign to smear the left and glorify the right at every opportunity.

Now do me a favor, show me CNN "News" bias.