Obama is the presumptive democratic nominee

[TWD]

I think it is somewhat incorrect when you say over and over that the US was ready to invade until they thought North Korea might get a nuke. I think North Korea was a special situation. I don't think anybody in the US ever really thought an invasion of North Korea was necessary, but they didn't want them to get a nuke either.

Countries like Iran on the other hand are a different story. They can talk and so forth, but when push comes to shove the US will blast them off the face of the earth if they get any indication that Iran is going to get a nuke. If Iran really thinks they can get away with it let them try. Israel will never let it happen.

 

[gregori]

I think it is somewhat incorrect when you say over and over that the US was ready to invade until they thought North Korea might get a nuke. I think North Korea was a special situation. I don't think anybody in the US ever really thought an invasion of North Korea was necessary, but they didn't want them to get a nuke either.

Countries like Iran on the other hand are a different story. They can talk and so forth, but when push comes to shove the US will blast them off the face of the earth if they get any indication that Iran is going to get a nuke. If Iran really thinks they can get away with it let them try. Israel will never let it happen.

What the magical difference that makes it not necessary to invade North Korea but very necessary to invade Iran? What special situation?


You have to substantiate such claims with reasoning and facts, not just stating them as if that makes it truth.

 

[GotBeer?]

 

[GeckoYamori]

I think all the rampant Obama support on the internet is instilling a false sense of hope. The majority of Americans probably can't handle the mental image of anything other than an old white guy running the show.

It'll make the disappointment of the final outcome all the more bitter.

 

[Plumb_Drumb]

I think all the rampant Obama support on the internet is instilling a false sense of hope. The majority of Americans probably can't handle the mental image of anything other than an old white guy running the show.

It'll make the disappointment of the final outcome all the more bitter.

I don't think it matters now.
We have no hope, it just can't get any worse!
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NotThatShy

 

[Jacks:Revenge]

 

[TWD]

North Korea just wanted negotiation power. Iran is looking to carry out nuclear genocide. I think it's a slightly different situation.

 

[Airmoran]

Iran is looking to carry out nuclear genocide.

...Seeing how the people (and I'm guessing the government) of Iran are, oh, I dunno, self-serving, intelligent people who aren't looking for a way to, say, end their existence, I'd probably offer a bit more factual support before claiming that Iran is looking to carry out nuclear genocide.

Just a thought.

 

[Soggy_Popcorn]

LOL ^

Stop posting already.

I wouldn't mind Obama/Edwards either.

Just as I would expect. Someone who want to shut my opinion down because they don't agree. And (surprise) they support the Comm....er.....Obama!

Kinda j/k...kinda.

Now people are starting to think. If somehow I was someone in charge in Iran I'd try to get nuclear weapons in as soon as possible. It would seem to be the only dissuasive measure to avoid any invasion. The same goes for North Korea.

This would seem reasonable at face value, and I can see why people like you and Gregori would believe this. However, you entirely missed the point.

Iran does not want weapons primarily for deterrence. It has consistently sponsored terrorists with conventional weapons for use against Israel and the U.S. and it will continue this policy with NUCLEAR weapons. They will see it as an opportunity to indirectly cripple their enemies while maintaining plausible deniability. This is also what frightens us about North Korea.

Nuclear attacks aren't necessarily launched from the air.

 

[Al]

Just as I would expect. Someone who want to shut my opinion down because they don't agree. And (surprise) they support the Comm....er.....Obama!

Kinda j/k...kinda.

Sorry, I meant to say... Your opinions are retarded. $4 gas ftw!

 

[das_ben]

Nuclear attacks aren't necessarily launched from the air.

I can see it now: radical extremists take a really big truck, load up a nuclear bomb and drive straight to Jerusalem where they proceed to ignite the device by lighting a fuse.

 

[IBStephyJo]

Wait.

You don't like to think of Obama as president because he's from Hyde Park? And because you're going to stereotype the entire neighborhood as "shady?" The man is clearly highly educated and well-spoken for, what difference does the area he comes from make?

You know what, don't answer that. It's a good idea that people like you choose not to vote, at least you've got that much sense.

I didn't choose not to vote. I CAN'T vote.
And it's not only Hyde Park(maybe a little.. but I don't think a president should come from Chicago... based on my own bias) I don't see what he can do for the US. Too many people will cause too much drama surrounding his religion, church, color, "fist bump"(which was pretty damn cool). Then nobody will be paying attention to what he really is/can do for us.

Interesting post from a local (I assume). What has he done for Chicago and Illinois?

Nothing, which is great compared to the other government officials of Illinois. But I wonder what will happen if somehow the courts get signifigant proof linking Obama to Tony Rezko's fraud and such.


But will all this said, If I had to choose between Obama and McCain, I would choose Obama. I don't particularly like either of them, I just dislike McCain a LOT more.

 

[Al]

You do know he's NOT from Chicago, right? ^

He grew up mostly in Hawaii.

 

[Iron Archer]

One day the United States will have a great Black President, but it's not going to be Obama. He keeps repeating change and hope but the masses do not understand what kind of change he's pushing for. He's a politician through and through and he will say whatever it takes to lull people into accepting his platitudes in lieu of real promises. He pretends to be a terrible judge of character, with all the radicals he's been associated with and yet gets away with using the line "he's not the insert name that I knew".

It's ok, feel free to shout me down too. It's my opinion, but I'm sure someone's going to come out like one of the people in Invasion of the Body Snatchers and do the usual pointing and screaming for not joining the Obama Collective.

 

[Zur]

I've been looking for that picture for ages. Thanks.

As for Presidency, who knows maybe McCain could be a good candidate as long as he isn't just another puppet for the money-spinners. Obama appears promising but I'd venture into saying that he will fall short of people's expectations.

 

[Jacks:Revenge]

I didn't choose not to vote. I CAN'T vote.

Oh, if you're just too young or something then disregard that comment.

but still...

I don't think a president should come from Chicago... based on my own bias

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It makes no difference where a person is from.

I don't see what he can do for the US.

Then pick up a newspaper, go to his website, or listen to him speak and he'll tell you. It's just like every other candidate; they're going to say a lot of sh*t. Most of it they will probably never do. But you listen to each of them and then you decide on which person said the most sh*t that you agree with or whoever you think will get the most sh*t that you want to see done.

After that there's nothing you can do, you vote and hope they do 10% of the sh*t they said they would. Thats politics for you.

Too many people will cause too much drama surrounding his religion, church, color, "fist bump"(which was pretty damn cool). Then nobody will be paying attention to what he really is/can do for us.

The media will create drama surrounding the little nuances of every candidate at this stage of the race. None of them will get away from it.

 

[gregori]

North Korea just wanted negotiation power. Iran is looking to carry out nuclear genocide. I think it's a slightly different situation.

emm.... no

There is no evidence Iran wants to carry out any genocide (it could if it wanted - it has plenty of populations within its borders that are a source of civil conflict, there are even jews living in Iran), nevermind a nuclear one.

They're arent going to do anything that would ensure that they would be wiped out also. They may be pretty fascist but they're not stupid!! In the event of Iran getting a nuclear weapon, Israel and the United States will do a deal with them.

Just like North Korea, Iran want to up their bargaining power and insure their own security from foreign invasions. North Korea is able to threaten Japan and South Korea with Nuclear attacks. There are significant US business interests there, so they did a deal.

In the Middle East, US has huge interest in Saudi Arabia, Israel, Iraq etc etc
This is what Iran will use to bargain itself into a better position.

The Missile Defense Shield is all about taking away this defensive capability of states with Nuclear Weapons, to make a first strike capability by the US a viable option. Its just like having a sword and a shield.

This would seem reasonable at face value, and I can see why people like you and Gregori would believe this. However, you entirely missed the point.

Iran does not want weapons primarily for deterrence. It has consistently sponsored terrorists with conventional weapons for use against Israel and the U.S. and it will continue this policy with NUCLEAR weapons. They will see it as an opportunity to indirectly cripple their enemies while maintaining plausible deniability. This is also what frightens us about North Korea.

Nuclear attacks aren't necessarily launched from the air.

Not very likely. Denying it would do Iran no good. Nuclear weapons don't just fall in your lap from thin air. Everybody would know who supplied it. Had Iran given terrorists a Nuclear Weapon, they would but be obliterated whether the denied it or not.

Afghanistan was bombed to **** by the US, on the off chance that Bin Laden might have been there and might have have been behind 9/11! God only know what they would do to Iran.

 

[Jaydee]

I'm not American or anything but I'm glad Obama beat Clinton.

 

[Al]

One day the United States will have a great Black President, but it's not going to be Obama. He keeps repeating change and hope but the masses do not understand what kind of change he's pushing for. He's a politician through and through and he will say whatever it takes to lull people into accepting his platitudes in lieu of real promises. He pretends to be a terrible judge of character, with all the radicals he's been associated with and yet gets away with using the line "he's not the insert name that I knew".

It's ok, feel free to shout me down too. It's my opinion, but I'm sure someone's going to come out like one of the people in Invasion of the Body Snatchers and do the usual pointing and screaming for not joining the Obama Collective.

So, you're hoping for 4 more years of the same BS? Cool! I guess 8 wasn't enough. $20/gallon gas ftw!

 

[Zur]

After that there's nothing you can do, you vote and hope they do 10% of the sh*t they said they would. Thats politics for you.

There is something you can do, at least in principle. A true democracy doesn't stop at national elections and you should have the possibility to address local and national representatives about your concerns. Whether they will be taken into account is another question but, really, elections are just a small part of a democratic process. If it was otherwise then the basic citizen is basically handing over power to a small group of people to do as they please.