Originally posted by BangOut
Okay... here comes tough love....
CTF-Face is most likely better than 95+% of the maps that have been uploaded to NC since we moved. Just because you get spawn sniped and piston camped online doesn't mean it's not one of the best maps ever made for UT. It's a cold, hard fact.
In fact, while you all may be screaming for maps, there are over 5000 in our database and I bet you haven't played them all yet. 100-200 more not on your hard drive isn't going to make or break you.
Be glad we're doing this redesign on the community's down time and not just after a release of a new game.
Trust me, there are going to be a couple good maps of all the ones I've pulled off of our FTP but the fact is most aren't and you'll be just fine without them until then.
The community needs active sites, but it also needs things done right. Give us time to do things right and you won't regret it. If you can guarantee me you've played all 5000+ maps on our site and are ready for more, then I will zip up all the maps on my hard drive and e-mail them to you.
Running a server? Go get some highly rated maps on NC from the past. CTF server? Check out my reviews at my other site... anything 7 and up from August 2000 to the present is worth playing.
Face is a matter of taste. I agree that it's one of the best maps I've played. But, I can't take it for more than a round or two. Spawn sniping and piston-camping don't bother me...I hunt those people down and enjoy selectively going for them for the rest of the round.
The FTP link is nice; thanks Stone. Too bad I've played most of those maps; even the most recent ones.
You may think those new maps are crap (and I'll grant you that many are), but you also seem to think Face is awesome fun. Different tastes..some people like small fast-paced CTF, others like big and complex CTF. All I'm saying is that just cuz you think they suck doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same. At any given time I hate a good percentage of the maps at StealthDP's Playground. Whatever. And if Face is so much better than all those new maps you've got, why the heck are you even redesigning NC? Nobody comes for old maps unless they delete their maps folder or something. And nobody would want crappy maps; even if new..
Uh..I suppose it's good you're redesigning before a new game comes out. Then again, rtcw was just released and I hear it's got great multiplayer. My point is, the longer you sit, the more people you lose to new games. Yes yes the dedicated will stay, but the dedicated aren't the ones who keep servers full (in general). The maps are keeping UT alive (icest0rm said this I think?).
Anyways, you still haven't answered my question: how hard would it be to post the simplest possible page of links to all those crappy new maps you've got? I've tried and haven't been able to think of any reason it would take very long. Upside: you'll shut up all of us people who want maps and we'll be content to wait for NC3. You'll still be providing your great service with an "in construction" or "TEMPORARY" disclaimer so we don't blame you for an ugly NewMap page. We all know the quality is coming. Downside: you'll have to take a little break from working on NC3. Unless NC3 is coming out in the next few days, you really ought to figure out a temporary solution.
And we all know you guys have real lives and we really really really appreciate everything NC stands for. Just, when you next take time to go at it, figure out a quick work-around for the newmap issue and then head back into NC3 work. It's worth the short delay.
