Legalize it?????

[Sven_ya!]

Originally posted by The Spiritwalker


and THAT is what I was trying to get at in a gun control debate as well as this discussion... but other peoples seem to be a hellofalot more consice than me lately...

To me, using the "give them an inch and they'll take a mile" argument has never sounded rational. The basis of this argument is in fear, so rationality goes right out the window. Basically, you don't want to legalize any drug other than the ones currently legal and you don't want to put any restrictions on firearms because you're afraid that it'll be the beginning to some kind of apocalyptic downfall of modern civilization.

Chill.

There's plenty of 1st ammendment restrictions in place, and that's been going on for centuries, but have we turned into a society where the government dictates what you can and can't say in public? Do people get executed for publishing slightly controversial works?

 

[Vendetta]

claw i agree that if people are causing a problem driving they should be arrested, and pot can slow your reflexes if you smoke enough. i must not be that bad. i smoke daily, but havent been in an accident in over 20 years, and i havent even had a ticket in 7 years. so i dont see marijuana use as a major contributor to car accidents or irrational driving, whereas alcohol has an almost immediate effect.

 

[SpiritWalker]

Originally posted by Sven_ya!


To me, using the "give them an inch and they'll take a mile" argument has never sounded rational. The basis of this argument is in fear, so rationality goes right out the window. Basically, you don't want to legalize any drug other than the ones currently legal and you don't want to put any restrictions on firearms because you're afraid that it'll be the beginning to some kind of apocalyptic downfall of modern civilization.

first of all... I DO belive in gun control (ie meaning use 2 hands)
and please see the thread that I am about to start concerning this.. and giving in to something often leads to giving in to more.. that is just the way of things..while as I said I lean twards making pot legal.. I have see peoples get arrested for DWI..due to being high.. and 006.. I have been in accidents due to the driver being high.. it does happen

There's plenty of 1st ammendment restrictions in place, and that's been going on for centuries, but have we turned into a society where the government dictates what you can and can't say in public? Do people get executed for publishing slightly controversial works?


No, not executed.. but excommunicated.. yes.. think about all the peoples that have been "censcored" due to the fact that the ideas that they have go against the accepted policies that gov/society have set down..branded "witches", tratiors, rebels, and such.. just because "thoughts' can be considered wrong..
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[Frostblood]

Claw : Driving while on high doses of nicotine or most other stimulants would actually make you a better driver as it would improve you reactions and reflexs.

Sven : No matter whether its only a matter of acceptance or not ( and I dont think things have changed much, harder drugs have never been acceptable while cannabis has always been seen as in a different league, even if it was not treated as such in the eyes of the law ), the scientific evidence stands...no matter what leads to legalisation, it would be a good move. The slipperly slope risk is a serious one, but look how long it took to legalise even cannabis in a society which allows nicotine and alchohol...it wont be a problem for many years methinks.

 

[Sven_ya!]

Originally posted by The Spiritwalker

No, not executed.. but excommunicated.. yes.. think about all the peoples that have been "censcored" due to the fact that the ideas that they have go against the accepted policies that gov/society have set down..branded "witches", tratiors, rebels, and such.. just because "thoughts' can be considered wrong..
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That kind of thing is rarely the doing of our government. Free speech in this country is curbed all the time, but mostly by private influences. Anybody who thinks the government has any serious control over the press or over free speech in this country doesn't know who's *really* controlling their speech.

 

[jreister]

ignorize da babylon systam

 

[Claw]

Originally posted by Vendetta
claw i agree that if people are causing a problem driving they should be arrested, and pot can slow your reflexes if you smoke enough. i must not be that bad. i smoke daily, but havent been in an accident in over 20 years, and i havent even had a ticket in 7 years. so i dont see marijuana use as a major contributor to car accidents or irrational driving, whereas alcohol has an almost immediate effect.

Well, many people smoke and drink alot and become stone-old, while others don't smoke and die of cancer nonetheless.
The effects drugs have on people vary greatly, but alcohol is in general more predictable than pot.
Of course, there are people who will tell you they can drive a car with 100 millilitres alcohol level as well as the next man sober.
And what does 'immediate effect' mean anyway? The dose does play a role, yaknow. I believe most people can drive with 50 millilitres just as well as with 5 but some can't.

In theory, everyone should be able to judge himself if he can drive, as well as the pleasures he enjoys. But humans simply can't be trusted.

 

[Frostblood]

"In theory, everyone should be able to judge himself if he can drive, as well as the pleasures he enjoys. But humans simply can't be trusted."

Agreed. I wouldn't trust anyone to judge themselves in a drunk state, not even the most intelligent person could make an accurate decision drunk. Nor stoned either probably. It's better to inconvinience a few than kill a few.

 

[BangOut]

Marijuana should only be legal for people who need it. And no one in here can be listed under that category.

That being said, no one needs alcohol or tobacco either and in a perfect world all three wouldn't have to be illegal- people just wouldn't do them. But people aren't smart enough to avoid them, are they?

 

[Twrecks]

Yea sure.

Better a tax revenue than a burden, similar to Tobacco, Caffienne and Alcohol.
Cocaine and Speed like drugs are by far more damaging than any of the above substances and could not be properly moderated if made legal.
I don't think hallucigyns should be, I don't believe half the stuff I see/hear why make it 100%?
Just my $.02 just to let you know I couldn't afford a habit anyway.