No its not, you cant look trough the scope while the flip-up sight is fliped up, but its no problem if you just leave it down for f<b></b>ucks sake, then its just like looking trough it to use it like intended.
KSK uses their AR with ACOG and NL
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don't need to, i've used 'em before, as my previous post has already made clear... granted, the quadrant sights are a whole lot more accurate, but the ladder sights work just fine... like i said, i can put a 40mm into a window at fairly decent ranges using said battle sight...
and like i said, i guarantee you won't be hitting anywhere near your intended target... hell, you won't even be looking at your intended target unless you're engagin at close range (in which case, why in the hell would you be lookin' through the damned acog anyways?)
so that, kind sir, is what i'm calling bull****...
The ladder sight was rejected by the danish army as it was found to be utterly useless, and that you where better off estimating the impact zone then actually using it, now we only use the quadrant sights.
When - don't flame me for this please, i almost never use it - i have the m16 + m203 + ACOG i use the acog for shooting mah bullets, and fire the m203 from the hip. I *really* can't aim with the m203 with a scope. Is that still wrong?
I guess it is, oh well i had to ask it
I guess it is, oh well i had to ask it
look, whatever, man... i'm just telling you that people can use them, and rather effectively, at that... that's not really the point, though... the main beef i have is your insistence that people can use a scope to aim an m203...
Look, im not trying defend using the Acog with the M203, i use neither of the two in INF, so thats not some agenda i have (i feel both are cheap to use), what i am saying, in the right situation, caught with youre pants down in combat, i can definately see someone use it instead of just fiering aimlessly hoping to hit, atleast it gives you horizontal aim.
Its like beating someone with the stock of youre weapon, thats something you really shouldent want to do, but in combat with youre a<b></b>rse on the line, it is a much more appealing option than just standing there waiting to get exicuted...even if it does mean you risk a jam the next round you try to fire.
Thats all i am saying, now stop putting words in my mouth.
Its like beating someone with the stock of youre weapon, thats something you really shouldent want to do, but in combat with youre a<b></b>rse on the line, it is a much more appealing option than just standing there waiting to get exicuted...even if it does mean you risk a jam the next round you try to fire.
Thats all i am saying, now stop putting words in my mouth.
I'll let this picture do the talking
YOU CAN'T AIM THE DAMN M203 IF YOU HAVE A SCOPE
YOU CAN'T AIM THE DAMN M203 IF YOU HAVE A SCOPE
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I think here are some misunderstandings cause of the difference between RL and INF
In RealLife© (existent, physical laws, outside computer)
you can't use the ACOG to aim with the nadelauncher cause of the different ballistics and weight of a bullet and a nade. ACOG (and any other sight for rifle-ammo) and ladder-sights work in different angles.
In INFILTRATION© (virtual, no physical laws, inside computer)
you could use the ACOG to aim in INF, cause the game's ballistic system differs from reality. AFAIK a limitation of the game engine.
But INFILTRATION stands for reality. It's more a simulation and it's more tactical than the quick CS-fun (no, not cybersox
) on a thin line between fun and realism.
So real INF-players expect you to play real: If something works in the game that wouldn't work in RL, for example strafing & hopping around (wanna dance??), more than 32 weapons and of corse using ACOG+M203 - don't do it!
One question - hi LepraKip - was: What about firing the M203 from the hip then? Hey, that would be ok, i think... sure? No: One lucky hit with a 40mm nade and they call you a cheater. Proof that you haven't used the ACOG for this kill, try it... CHEATER!!!
I slowly begin to understand why some people want the ACOG+M203-combo to be removed...
TitanBlue
In RealLife© (existent, physical laws, outside computer)
you can't use the ACOG to aim with the nadelauncher cause of the different ballistics and weight of a bullet and a nade. ACOG (and any other sight for rifle-ammo) and ladder-sights work in different angles.
In INFILTRATION© (virtual, no physical laws, inside computer)
you could use the ACOG to aim in INF, cause the game's ballistic system differs from reality. AFAIK a limitation of the game engine.
But INFILTRATION stands for reality. It's more a simulation and it's more tactical than the quick CS-fun (no, not cybersox
) on a thin line between fun and realism.So real INF-players expect you to play real: If something works in the game that wouldn't work in RL, for example strafing & hopping around (wanna dance??), more than 32 weapons and of corse using ACOG+M203 - don't do it!
One question - hi LepraKip - was: What about firing the M203 from the hip then? Hey, that would be ok, i think... sure? No: One lucky hit with a 40mm nade and they call you a cheater. Proof that you haven't used the ACOG for this kill, try it... CHEATER!!!
I slowly begin to understand why some people want the ACOG+M203-combo to be removed...
TitanBlue
A fixed ballistics system is the answer. Then the grenade will have the correct arc and you won't be able to aim it with the ACOG. But at the same time we'd better put the proper sight onto the weapon so you at least have a chance to aim the grenade.
The M203 and ACOG mix on a weapon appears to be valid, so there must be a way to use the flip-up sights to aim the grenade.
More research needs to be done. Wish I knew some Yank armourers, they'd be able to answer this.
The M203 and ACOG mix on a weapon appears to be valid, so there must be a way to use the flip-up sights to aim the grenade.
More research needs to be done. Wish I knew some Yank armourers, they'd be able to answer this.
that image is incorrect you know.
a bullet dosent take a 5 degree bank the second it leaves the barrel... its flying parralle to the barrel, so its visible for some part of that flight.
what I think is wrong is the fact were using the weapon at very short ranges (rarely past 100m, which some say is the minimum safe distance) that would explain the difference in aiming.
something along the lines of: "you could spot a nade target at that distance, but no you shouldent fire at that range cause you'd kill yourself"
theres not much of a point to argue it though.
no ones gonna put their eye directly behind a recoiling rifle scope irl and pull the trigger.
I agree with you guys on that.
ok, my issue with all this:
your saying that when I fire it from the hip, thats wrong...
ok fine
but if I shoot it with an acog, thats wrong too...
and when someone says they have a problem: "oh well, just dont use that weapon combination then".
THAT is NOT an acceptable answer.
just make sure when your done researching and quibbiling over the details, you have a reasonable and realistic way to aim the thing inside the game.
thats all I'm asking.
a bullet dosent take a 5 degree bank the second it leaves the barrel... its flying parralle to the barrel, so its visible for some part of that flight.
what I think is wrong is the fact were using the weapon at very short ranges (rarely past 100m, which some say is the minimum safe distance) that would explain the difference in aiming.
something along the lines of: "you could spot a nade target at that distance, but no you shouldent fire at that range cause you'd kill yourself"
theres not much of a point to argue it though.
no ones gonna put their eye directly behind a recoiling rifle scope irl and pull the trigger.
I agree with you guys on that.
ok, my issue with all this:
your saying that when I fire it from the hip, thats wrong...
ok fine
but if I shoot it with an acog, thats wrong too...
and when someone says they have a problem: "oh well, just dont use that weapon combination then".
THAT is NOT an acceptable answer.
just make sure when your done researching and quibbiling over the details, you have a reasonable and realistic way to aim the thing inside the game.
thats all I'm asking.
oh and the main problem with the m203 still is the ridiculous arming length. While it normally arm between 14 and 32 meter in inf it always arms at what seems to be 7 meter.
And why isn't it an acceptable answer? The question deems whether or not an answer is acceptable, not the person asking the question. In this case the answer is perfectly acceptable. There is no way to accurately aim and fire a grenade launching attachment for a M16 series rifle equipped with an ACOG scope.
You could try doing what they do IRL and not take an ACOG with your M203 without the equipment to aim properly aim the M203.
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if you read the post, youll see Im trying to come to amicable terms everyone can agree to.
(I hope you can see these photos, my hd servers screwing up)
100m target, somewhat flat trajectory
100m target, raised trajectory to try and hit it.
notice how low the target is, and I fell short be about 10-20 meters
100m target still, gun raised to hit it (I think.. red plume fell off to the left side somewhat, so Im not sure of the range)
its the right trajectory to hit the target at the proper range were supposed to be using it, right?
the targets no longer visible on the scope...
its not the gun thats at fault, its our use of it.
no one shooting at 100m targets with the 203.
THAT is the problem.
(I hope you can see these photos, my hd servers screwing up)
100m target, somewhat flat trajectory
100m target, raised trajectory to try and hit it.
notice how low the target is, and I fell short be about 10-20 meters
100m target still, gun raised to hit it (I think.. red plume fell off to the left side somewhat, so Im not sure of the range)
its the right trajectory to hit the target at the proper range were supposed to be using it, right?
the targets no longer visible on the scope...
its not the gun thats at fault, its our use of it.
no one shooting at 100m targets with the 203.
THAT is the problem.
sorry fur, dident mean to jump on yas
just pointing somethign out.
well the guys in all those photos found a way to do it.
just pointing somethign out.
well the guys in all those photos found a way to do it.
striderteen
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So...allow me to summarize.
In real life, you cannot use the M-16 + ACOG + M-203 combination effectively, because you can't aim the grenades with the ACOG at all and you have little to no range and accuracy when attemping to fire from the hip.
The M-203 can only be used effectively when paired with a flip-up ladder sight or a quadrant sight.
In real life, you cannot use the M-16 + ACOG + M-203 combination effectively, because you can't aim the grenades with the ACOG at all and you have little to no range and accuracy when attemping to fire from the hip.
The M-203 can only be used effectively when paired with a flip-up ladder sight or a quadrant sight.