Is this game any good?
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Sparrow makes me feel unintelligent. Since [pet] doesn't openly support warez and neither does BU, one would assume that no one would EVER post something like this that allows you to play XMP for free. That would never ever happen in this anti-warez community. (I cannot be held responsible for users clicking the above link that could potentially lead to an XMP crack that allows you to play without the required CD. Users are here-by warned that downloading that (to my knowledge) is not illegal although using it may well be (but who's going to notice?). If you want to file charges bring it up with my lawyer at www.hai2u.com)
Kirby, I think you are mistaken. That link leads to a method of installing XMP if your legally purchased Unreal 2 CD becomes damaged to an extent whereby it becomes unsable. While it is admittedly likely to still be against the rules laid out in the ToS and EULA, it is hardly a method of stealing. Using it for the rumor you spoke of would, without a doubt, be morally aprehensible, however the link itself should be allowable for us legal users on BUF.
Secondly, Whitey, I'm moving in a few days, so I'm already in hell. Is that close enough, or do I need to actually be in the process of getting to a hell to manage to placate you?
Secondly, Whitey, I'm moving in a few days, so I'm already in hell. Is that close enough, or do I need to actually be in the process of getting to a hell to manage to placate you?
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Uh yeah, Kang, I've seen you in Off Topic. If you think the members there are bad, well....welcome to XMP!
Seriously, the best multiplayer game ever, even with the small community that's left. I suffer from dialup and still play this game. Play it, love it, feed the addiction.
Speaking of addiction: I am so jonesing to play, but The Wife's work hours changed over a month ago and the computer's still in the bedroom. I can't take it for much longer! I'm this close to installing it here at work.
Seriously, the best multiplayer game ever, even with the small community that's left. I suffer from dialup and still play this game. Play it, love it, feed the addiction.
Speaking of addiction: I am so jonesing to play, but The Wife's work hours changed over a month ago and the computer's still in the bedroom. I can't take it for much longer! I'm this close to installing it here at work.
By "anyone", I was referring to the other... less significant people. perhaps I meant Garbage. Most likely I simply meant anyone who wasn't entertaining me. Only good thing is I got a new keyboard out of being upset. Still haven't picked up the loose keys on my floor.[pet]sparrow said:
I also don't condone Warezing or illegal piracy, but XMP needs more players, so I look the other way when it comes to aquiring XMP. Unreal 2 is a different story.
Now I wonder, since the Master Server is no longer up, could I give out my XMP copy to people? All you need is the install, not the Unreal 2 game. The Beta is over, so am I free to give out the "special" XMP that I have? Dman, you can coment on this, since you also have this same "special" issue of XMP that I have.
Now I wonder, since the Master Server is no longer up, could I give out my XMP copy to people? All you need is the install, not the Unreal 2 game. The Beta is over, so am I free to give out the "special" XMP that I have? Dman, you can coment on this, since you also have this same "special" issue of XMP that I have.
No, Jackal, that's still illegal, and falls under the dicussion we're having on what one -shouldn't- do.
Then again, putting up another master server is illegal, too, I'm certain, since it involves modifying files in a way not that does not have Atari's expressed permission, just like modifying your UI, though that's simply "illegal" in the sense of violating the EULA, thus the penalty associated with it is Atari's right to revoke your use of their software, and since you're talking about using another master server anyway... Yay paradoxes! Anyway, the point is that would be illegal, so don't advertise doing that. However, if you advise against it, I don't think that's against any BUF rules.
Then again, putting up another master server is illegal, too, I'm certain, since it involves modifying files in a way not that does not have Atari's expressed permission, just like modifying your UI, though that's simply "illegal" in the sense of violating the EULA, thus the penalty associated with it is Atari's right to revoke your use of their software, and since you're talking about using another master server anyway... Yay paradoxes! Anyway, the point is that would be illegal, so don't advertise doing that. However, if you advise against it, I don't think that's against any BUF rules.
XMP.Arc
+-aka Arcturus, HalcYoN, goBOT etc-+
hmm Jackal raises a valid Q. especially at this point where a new masterServer had to be created.The Jackal-XMP said:
funny i have "special" too ...short list:
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[pet]sparrow, I respect your stand on piracy , but I feel I'm not bound to Atari . They screwed alot of people , shutting the doors on legend ent. , no game support , s--ta-- server . The nail in xmp's coffin started with Atari . With the communitys help and desire , the game survived . Is it illegal to pirate the game= yes , Is it illegal to sell a product to consumers without support ? You tell me should we pay for this .
Hell it's been a long time.
I bought Unreal 2 in the past, it is a very dissapointing game (single player/mapping wise.) . However, XMP was released a bit then, about the same time that i menaged to return it to the store from where i bought it. XMP was good, gameplay was good and it was unique. Vehicles were not dominating like in Halo or SWBF 1&2. For cheap you have to get it. It worth it.
I bought Unreal 2 in the past, it is a very dissapointing game (single player/mapping wise.) . However, XMP was released a bit then, about the same time that i menaged to return it to the store from where i bought it. XMP was good, gameplay was good and it was unique. Vehicles were not dominating like in Halo or SWBF 1&2. For cheap you have to get it. It worth it.
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Is promoting warez on BUF reason enough to get a thread closed? 99% sure it is. Is a post explaining exactly how one could pirate a copy of U2, but explaining it's illegal and saying that people shouldn't do it enough to get a thread closed? Probably, but I think the chances are far less.
And no, it's not illegal to sell a product without support.
You're killing me by making me explain this stuff.
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Reverse-engineering the game code and modifying it is against the EULA. However, the various configuration files are clearly open-source (since they are text scripts) and can therefore be modified as you like. In fact, you have to - change any setting and you've just modified a file[pet]sparrow said:
Not entirely sure about the master server. If it's stolen code, then yes it's bad. But if some clever people have simply observed a typical master server request, decoded it, and then designed their own software to respond to the request then there is nothing inherently wrong with that at all.
The most important bottom line is - Atari doesn't care.
Thank you Gecko, knew we could count on you.dutch_gecko said:Reverse-engineering the game code and modifying it is against the EULA. However, the various configuration files are clearly open-source (since they are text scripts) and can therefore be modified as you like. In fact, you have to - change any setting and you've just modified a file
You are correct: it was developed by Omen based on analysing a master-server uplink and client query (which I provided him with), so it's not the same Master Server that Atari used/Legend coded. It is, in fact, substantially better and more stable. A truer description for it might be "master server simulator"dutch_gecko said:
No reverse engineering happened of the source code.They don't care, no, but maybe it's not the most important bottom line. Software piracy isn't right, and should not be condoned at all. On the other hand, the lack of support by Atari does make our lives difficult by refusing to support (or indeed even acknowledge) U2 or XMP, and I think fair work-arounds for the problems created by this are justified. I think it's up to individuals to decide what they do to overcome the hurdles that Atari has created.dutch_gecko said:
XMP.Arc
+-aka Arcturus, HalcYoN, goBOT etc-+
dutch_gecko said:Reverse-engineering the game code and modifying it is against the EULA. However, the various configuration files are clearly open-source (since they are text scripts) and can therefore be modified as you like. In fact, you have to - change any setting and you've just modified a file
You may be right, I'm honestly too lazy to read over a EULA to prove a point, however simply because a file is open-source does not inherently mean it's considered "alright" to modify it when it comes to commercial software. Additionally, simply because the client is capable of modifying a file does not mean that the user was intended to outside of the client's provided environment. That's not to say that anyone honestly cares whether you do or not, I'm simply (and ignorantly) arguing over "the law and the letter".
Also, to clarify my previous point, I meant not to advertise piracy, not the new master server.