If you've ever been the victim of bullying, you will want to see this.

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Jacks:Revenge

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if someone deserves an ass kicking then it's not really bullying.
you also seem to be talking about one fight.

bullying is a pattern of behavior over time, not a single confrontation with somebody who might have deserved punishment.

you need to stick to apples.
you're dipping into oranges.
 

TWD

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Bullying is just a part of human nature, and will always be pervasive in the schools. The R rating is rediculous, but showing the movie in assemblies isn't going to make a difference. The real problem is the schools and parents that pretend nothing is wrong, our don't take it seriously enough.

I was bullied on a daily basis when I was in 2nd grade. I was the smallest kid, and the biggest kid with his three lackeys thought I was a good target. I faught back every time, and actually did more damage to them simply because I was more willing to actually do damage. In addition to physical conflict they would bully me socially by manipulating the few friends I had. Everyone knew what was going on, but they never did squat about it. It just turns into he said they said, and ground duty sends everyone to the wall. Looking back I'm appalled that it never went beyond the ground duty. It only stopped because the instigator broke his leg in an unrelated incident falling down the stairs. Luckily his family moved after that.

It is a regular part of life that everyone has to deal with to some extent. All the more reason for adults to take a more serious no tolerance approach, and spend more time trying to actively find problems in their infancy.
 

Jacks:Revenge

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a more serious no tolerance approach, and spend more time trying to actively find problems in their infancy.
yeah but you gotta' be real careful with that crap because it often goes to the other extreme. we've already seen plenty of cases across the country where superintendents and principals have expelled kids because they had a nail file or unguarded pair of scissors in their backpack and pulled it out at lunch. there was no malicious intent, they just didn't know the adults would freak out.

zero tolerance only works if the rules aren't black and white.
you need to be willing to review incidents on a case by case basis otherwise this policy ends up doing more harm than good.
 

shadow_dragon

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The strong prey on the weak. Like it or not it's what got humankind to where it is. If someone bumps into you (hard) in the store, your very first instinctual impulse is to size them up and decide whether you are dominant. Laws and rules are not just going to immediately negate the collective millenia of development that got us to where we are.
Actually I'm English. My first instinct is to apologise. ;)
Fine, what if I did it all the time? If someone deserves to be bullied, is it bullying?
Seriously?
I'd call the police because he's breaking a pretty obvious law and i'm old enough to own a fucking car!

Why are you sticking to this car keying thing?
Surely if you're still justifying "Bullying-back" the retaliation to a prolonged and consistent car-keying(Which is your stand-in for bullying) would be for you to go and consistently key his car back again. Which is retarded!

I don't think you have any idea what bullying is and I think you're making a big mistake in thinking that "standing up for yourself" is "bullying-back!"

Throwing a punch at a guy that has been kicking your ass for days/weeks/months on end is not "bullying-back" that's just standing up to him. Kicking his ass everyday after he's learnt his lesson just to make a point is bullying him back.
Do you see the difference?
 

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yeah but you gotta' be real careful with that crap because it often goes to the other extreme. we've already seen plenty of cases across the country where superintendents and principals have expelled kids because they had a nail file or unguarded pair of scissors in their backpack and pulled it out at lunch. there was no malicious intent, they just didn't know the adults would freak out.

zero tolerance only works if the rules aren't black and white.
you need to be willing to review incidents on a case by case basis otherwise this policy ends up doing more harm than good.

I think the key is just that a student should be able to have to confidence that if they report an incident that it will be dealt with. Adults rely too much on the excuse that they can't watch everything. They didn't see what happened and the stories always get muddled. Most incidents don't get reported because the victims think that it wasn't serious enough, or otherwise wouldn't get solved. The perfect reflection of this is the classic suggestion by internet commentors to buck up and fight back. Nobody believes that the adults can stop the problem.

Right now the deterrent simply isn't enough to dissuade the bullies.
 
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I think it's pretty interesting how there's so much constant outrage over bullying these days. I never experienced what I'd consider bullying, and that's as a kid who wasn't popular, didn't like sports, and was always into computers and fantasy games. I also went to public schools and due to awesome desegregation measures a lot of the time that meant going to schools in the projects.

In any case, it seems pretty obvious that a big reason bullying occurs is because of how it shoves hundreds or thousands of kids in a building with minimal adult supervision and lets them start their own social hierarchy bullshit. I'd like to see if anyone held the government/school system accountable for putting them in that situation and generally not doing anything to stop it.
 

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Throwing a punch at a guy that has been kicking your ass for days/weeks/months on end is not "bullying-back" that's just standing up to him. Kicking his ass everyday after he's learnt his lesson just to make a point is bullying him back.
Do you see the difference?
No. What if he doesn't learn his lesson and won't?
 

unlicensed

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No. What if he doesn't learn his lesson and won't?

Sigh.

Let's cover something basic here. A bully is defined as "a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people." Fighting back, therefore, is never bullying.

This has been laid out very plainly by shadow, though, so I don't expect this post alone to do anything. In fact I think it's more likely that you will continue to defend... whatever your point is... with increasing vigour for at least a page more. Please, enjoy yourself.
 

Arnox

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Sigh.

Let's cover something basic here. A bully is defined as "a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people." Fighting back, therefore, is never bullying.

This has been laid out very plainly by shadow, though, so I don't expect this post alone to do anything. In fact I think it's more likely that you will continue to defend... whatever your point is... with increasing vigour for at least a page more. Please, enjoy yourself.
Whatever. Bullying is bullying. And let me assure you. I derive no pleasure from talking to people who love to miss the point.
 

gopostal

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Don't forget too that there exists a rather large divide between parents and their kids in the realm of technology. You bully a kid via his facebook and most adults are just "So, don't read it," or "Stop being a pansy and just delete the text message if it offends you." Most parents don't really get how much that stuff is done for their peers to see versus the victim only.
 

Balton

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Whatever. Bullying is bullying. And let me assure you. I derive no pleasure from talking to people who love to miss the point.

good, at least we now know that you don't talk to yourself... much.