There...you see Ls...your viewpoints parallel Biblical ones and you dont even know it....LOL...hehee
How funny!! /~unreal/ubb/html/biggrin.gif
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How many guns do you own?
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I can see it now.....the Old Man asks me if I have anybody I wanna recommend....and I say "yeah, his name is Sin but dont let the name fool ya....he means well..hehe...ROFL!!!
I built a catapault...It's full size too. It can launch people a god long way. See, that's what you use to knock over a liquor store.
"Where's the BACTINE?! Some of this blood is MINE!!" -- JTHM
"Where's the BACTINE?! Some of this blood is MINE!!" -- JTHM
All I have to say is, it really felt nice to have that shotgun around when last year, some gangbangers fought a raging battle on my otherwise quiet residential street corner. They were gone long before the police finally showed up.
-Wolf Blackstar
"A chainsaw! find some meat!"
-Wolf Blackstar
"A chainsaw! find some meat!"
There is one thing that LS brought up that is an understatement...and that oure criminal courts system...what a fukin mess.
This is about the only country in the world where you can walk in a liquor store (on videotape) and blow somebody away and it take 10 years to bring em to justice....that is the most asinine thing. When its clear cut and dry with no chance of them being innocent and there is no doubt...then I say execute them immediately for a capitol offense.
Im sure I'll hear from the liberals how unconstituional this is but I dont care..its wrong for taxpayers to pay for this murderer's a/c and color tv and 3 meals a day in a warm bed for 10 years ....then the cost of the execution when its clear they are guilty...wrong. And then about 20% of the time, after the trauma has worn off and everybody forgotten about it (cept the family members of the lost loved one)some bleeding heart liberal gets them a retrial or case dismissed over some stupid fukin triviality legal thing that has nothing to do with them being innocent or not..just taking advantage of a screwed up judicial loophole capitolistic system.
The justice sys here is ridiculous..as are most judicial authorities in this country..including parents. Hell, you cant even spank your kid anymore without worrying some idiot teacher sees a redmark on his *** and turns you in for child abuse..or the kid lies and makes up a story..$****, this country has gone down the tubes in this area...utterly disgusting. My youngest girl Jamie, when she was 2 yrs old , fell off the back of the bed and cracked her head slightly..we rushed her to the emergency room..whereby they took her from us..called cps and then held her for three weeks so they could do their insidious investigation to see if we had abused her....and that same weekend 2 teenage girls were butchered in a park at 2:00am here by a gang cause their parents didnt give a $hit ennough to make them be home at a decent hour or know where they were....THATS CHILD ABUSE!! And so was the Columbine tragedy..I blame the parents for alot or all of that...if they had been paying attention or more accurately (Im sure) gave a $hit..they would have picked up on that those guys were into something weird and exposed the intent of their scheme before any of that happened...it was stated that bomb making materials were everywhere in that one kid's house and in the garage...how the fuk as a parent do you not notice that? Answer is THEY DID! And just didnt care enough or have the balls to get involved....so UY blames the parents...not the school or the country or the gun laws...THE PARENTS! For those of you who are parents, if you are involved with your kid then YOU KNOW exactly whats up with that kid and can spot any thing weird going on...if you care.
Anyway...when they took my little girl from me I have never been so mad or humiliated in my whole life...and my wife was a complete basket case the whole time.
Gun control is one issue...but we have some others that are much more stupid and obvious that it.
[This message has been edited by OFUY (edited 02-16-2000).]
This is about the only country in the world where you can walk in a liquor store (on videotape) and blow somebody away and it take 10 years to bring em to justice....that is the most asinine thing. When its clear cut and dry with no chance of them being innocent and there is no doubt...then I say execute them immediately for a capitol offense.
Im sure I'll hear from the liberals how unconstituional this is but I dont care..its wrong for taxpayers to pay for this murderer's a/c and color tv and 3 meals a day in a warm bed for 10 years ....then the cost of the execution when its clear they are guilty...wrong. And then about 20% of the time, after the trauma has worn off and everybody forgotten about it (cept the family members of the lost loved one)some bleeding heart liberal gets them a retrial or case dismissed over some stupid fukin triviality legal thing that has nothing to do with them being innocent or not..just taking advantage of a screwed up judicial loophole capitolistic system.
The justice sys here is ridiculous..as are most judicial authorities in this country..including parents. Hell, you cant even spank your kid anymore without worrying some idiot teacher sees a redmark on his *** and turns you in for child abuse..or the kid lies and makes up a story..$****, this country has gone down the tubes in this area...utterly disgusting. My youngest girl Jamie, when she was 2 yrs old , fell off the back of the bed and cracked her head slightly..we rushed her to the emergency room..whereby they took her from us..called cps and then held her for three weeks so they could do their insidious investigation to see if we had abused her....and that same weekend 2 teenage girls were butchered in a park at 2:00am here by a gang cause their parents didnt give a $hit ennough to make them be home at a decent hour or know where they were....THATS CHILD ABUSE!! And so was the Columbine tragedy..I blame the parents for alot or all of that...if they had been paying attention or more accurately (Im sure) gave a $hit..they would have picked up on that those guys were into something weird and exposed the intent of their scheme before any of that happened...it was stated that bomb making materials were everywhere in that one kid's house and in the garage...how the fuk as a parent do you not notice that? Answer is THEY DID! And just didnt care enough or have the balls to get involved....so UY blames the parents...not the school or the country or the gun laws...THE PARENTS! For those of you who are parents, if you are involved with your kid then YOU KNOW exactly whats up with that kid and can spot any thing weird going on...if you care.
Anyway...when they took my little girl from me I have never been so mad or humiliated in my whole life...and my wife was a complete basket case the whole time.
Gun control is one issue...but we have some others that are much more stupid and obvious that it.
[This message has been edited by OFUY (edited 02-16-2000).]
uy,
here we have strict gun control, BUT you can legally have hunting Rifles if you register them and have a permit. is that what you meant? i see absolutely no problem with possesing one of them. hell, my next door neighbour is a cop and he has a whole assortment of rifles and he goes hunting every year.
LS,
that link has no real relevance to America. you dont need a comparsion to a country with guns, you need a comparision to one without them. thats what im trying to show you yet the ignorant, better-than-thou ways of americans blind them to anything but their own affairs. its funny, although im not laughing one bit. furthermore, i doubt youve been to switzerland or been to Israel to see first hand how the people act, and what their society is based upon. it is not at all the same as in America. about israel, have u even watched the news or followed international events over in the middle east?
each country has its own society, customs, way of life with differ greatly from america. again, to think everyone thinks along the same lines as america is being ignorant, but i guess maybe youve tried to comprehend this. some of these countries you mention, have been around THOUSANDS of years before america was even thought to exist.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>The problem in America is disrespect for fellow human beings, lack of education, a ridiculously inefficient legal system, and a mentality that "me, me, me, I deserve something for nothing." Guns are not the cause!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
when did anyone in this thread say that guns are responsible for , basically, way of life in society? enumerating all these points and looking them over you can instantly see that voilence will be one of the results. do you advocate violence? it seems like you do becuase staunchly defending guns is what that is. simple question. what is a tool that aids violence, can u tell me? ill answer myself. GUNS!!! no guns arent the stem of lifes problems and removing them wont remove violence. there will still be physical abuse, stabbings, whatever. but if you could take out a HUGE part of all the shootings, would you? if yes, then you seem to maybe want gun control. if not, you are freely advocating people to do as they PLEASE with guns. if that means shooting someone in the head, then so be it by your standards. after all, dont humans have a right to control their own lives?
i dont know...it sure seemed like those columbine masscares put people to grief, but listening to you right now it had absolutely no affect whatsoever on you. but im not saying you need to feel grief for loss of life, becuase you dont. i was more digusted, ashamed and angry at america than sad when i heard of these shootings. watching from outside in like me, you just knew things like this were bound to happen and will happen with increasing frequency. to think guns have nothing at all do do with incidents like these, or any other, is simply appaling. you need to understand that guns aid violence, are a tool for crime, and your kids are growing up with them all around them. put your petty needs(what needs??) aside and try to help the greater good. maybe america can right their path in this respect, then again, from hearing you, i wouldnt be the least bit surprised if they didnt.
[This message has been edited by Voyd (edited 02-16-2000).]
here we have strict gun control, BUT you can legally have hunting Rifles if you register them and have a permit. is that what you meant? i see absolutely no problem with possesing one of them. hell, my next door neighbour is a cop and he has a whole assortment of rifles and he goes hunting every year.
LS,
that link has no real relevance to America. you dont need a comparsion to a country with guns, you need a comparision to one without them. thats what im trying to show you yet the ignorant, better-than-thou ways of americans blind them to anything but their own affairs. its funny, although im not laughing one bit. furthermore, i doubt youve been to switzerland or been to Israel to see first hand how the people act, and what their society is based upon. it is not at all the same as in America. about israel, have u even watched the news or followed international events over in the middle east?
each country has its own society, customs, way of life with differ greatly from america. again, to think everyone thinks along the same lines as america is being ignorant, but i guess maybe youve tried to comprehend this. some of these countries you mention, have been around THOUSANDS of years before america was even thought to exist.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>The problem in America is disrespect for fellow human beings, lack of education, a ridiculously inefficient legal system, and a mentality that "me, me, me, I deserve something for nothing." Guns are not the cause!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
when did anyone in this thread say that guns are responsible for , basically, way of life in society? enumerating all these points and looking them over you can instantly see that voilence will be one of the results. do you advocate violence? it seems like you do becuase staunchly defending guns is what that is. simple question. what is a tool that aids violence, can u tell me? ill answer myself. GUNS!!! no guns arent the stem of lifes problems and removing them wont remove violence. there will still be physical abuse, stabbings, whatever. but if you could take out a HUGE part of all the shootings, would you? if yes, then you seem to maybe want gun control. if not, you are freely advocating people to do as they PLEASE with guns. if that means shooting someone in the head, then so be it by your standards. after all, dont humans have a right to control their own lives?
i dont know...it sure seemed like those columbine masscares put people to grief, but listening to you right now it had absolutely no affect whatsoever on you. but im not saying you need to feel grief for loss of life, becuase you dont. i was more digusted, ashamed and angry at america than sad when i heard of these shootings. watching from outside in like me, you just knew things like this were bound to happen and will happen with increasing frequency. to think guns have nothing at all do do with incidents like these, or any other, is simply appaling. you need to understand that guns aid violence, are a tool for crime, and your kids are growing up with them all around them. put your petty needs(what needs??) aside and try to help the greater good. maybe america can right their path in this respect, then again, from hearing you, i wouldnt be the least bit surprised if they didnt.
[This message has been edited by Voyd (edited 02-16-2000).]
Voyd,
You have not answered my stipulation about keeping the criminal element from getting firearms. That HAS to be a prerequisite to taking weapons away from law abiding citizens in this country. What are your ideas on that? How do you keep the bad guys from getting guns and get rid of the ones they have now?
And heres some interesting points of logic..not trying to stir the pot any but they deserve to be looked at in REALITY and not theory..
Since guns are already here and owned by criminals lets look at a few things realistically.
1. If a couple of teachers/guards had the proper training and license to carry a concealed weapon ..perhaps the Columbine disaster would have been minimized or never happened at all. Thats an interesting point of "reality"...not philosophy.
2. You ever wonder how many people who died of violent crimes..in their last moments maybe wished they had a gun to defend themselves, maybe against the guy with the gun that was about to shoot them? Interesting speculating on that one. Probably quite a few who would have an immediate change of heart about guns.
So I go back to my original question...how do you keep the bad guys from getting guns? when you can do that then you potentially start to look at wasy of eliminating firearms designed for killing people only.
You have not answered my stipulation about keeping the criminal element from getting firearms. That HAS to be a prerequisite to taking weapons away from law abiding citizens in this country. What are your ideas on that? How do you keep the bad guys from getting guns and get rid of the ones they have now?
And heres some interesting points of logic..not trying to stir the pot any but they deserve to be looked at in REALITY and not theory..
Since guns are already here and owned by criminals lets look at a few things realistically.
1. If a couple of teachers/guards had the proper training and license to carry a concealed weapon ..perhaps the Columbine disaster would have been minimized or never happened at all. Thats an interesting point of "reality"...not philosophy.
2. You ever wonder how many people who died of violent crimes..in their last moments maybe wished they had a gun to defend themselves, maybe against the guy with the gun that was about to shoot them? Interesting speculating on that one. Probably quite a few who would have an immediate change of heart about guns.
So I go back to my original question...how do you keep the bad guys from getting guns? when you can do that then you potentially start to look at wasy of eliminating firearms designed for killing people only.
you cant really. theres always gonna be illegal activity. same thing as drugs. let me us drugs as a way to get my point across. they are illegal yet people still use them. mainly they are imported in the case of hard stuff. but just think for a second how much drug use there would be if people could freely sell them. and it would be all legal. cocaine, acid, hash, all sold in shops. people could just buy it and consume it on their porch. does this sound disturbing to you? all these drugs, they harm the person who uses them, but not anything else. if a guy wants to do cocaine , then he alone gets affected by it (physically).
guns on the other hand, always affect someone else. they always injure or kill others. here you have something which in anyones hands can abruptly end someones life with a simple squeeze of the trigger. and this is all legal? am i the only one who thinks this doesnt make sense?
the way to start is to have gun control implemented. anyone caught with handguns and such weapons are arrested and/or and their gun taken away for good. one less gun out there and that person cant just buy another one legally. thru the years there will be a mass reduction on guns out there, and availibility will be restricted to illegal means, which unfortunately will always exist. if somehow every gun in the world could be magically destroyed id do it, but its not gonna happen. the least you can do is make it illagal, and make it difficult to aquire them.
like i said before, guns are a tool for violence. your reference to fighting guns with guns is unfortunately a sad portrait of america, which im trying to paint here for you american folks. it doesnt seem to be working. if you cant see the wrong in this...then i think here is no hope for gun control in america.
[This message has been edited by Voyd (edited 02-16-2000).]
guns on the other hand, always affect someone else. they always injure or kill others. here you have something which in anyones hands can abruptly end someones life with a simple squeeze of the trigger. and this is all legal? am i the only one who thinks this doesnt make sense?
the way to start is to have gun control implemented. anyone caught with handguns and such weapons are arrested and/or and their gun taken away for good. one less gun out there and that person cant just buy another one legally. thru the years there will be a mass reduction on guns out there, and availibility will be restricted to illegal means, which unfortunately will always exist. if somehow every gun in the world could be magically destroyed id do it, but its not gonna happen. the least you can do is make it illagal, and make it difficult to aquire them.
like i said before, guns are a tool for violence. your reference to fighting guns with guns is unfortunately a sad portrait of america, which im trying to paint here for you american folks. it doesnt seem to be working. if you cant see the wrong in this...then i think here is no hope for gun control in america.
[This message has been edited by Voyd (edited 02-16-2000).]
Voyd, the whole point of that link was to show that guns are not the CAUSE of violence, and you admit that, that's good. You're right, guns "aid" violence though. Certain crimes are easier if you have a gun, I mean that's obvious.
But to think that you can stop anybody from getting a gun is LUDICROUS period. Like the saying goes (as corny as it sounds, its true), "If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns."
And, America isn't exactly as bad as you think. There are 300 million people here from every culture, race, and religion that you can imagine so some problems are excpected. I dont think you especially have the right to critcize us seeing as you are, "watching from outside." And the media likes to blow everything out of proportion.
Yeah, maybe I dont need guns. But like I said, as you comprimise one right, you are that much closer to comprimising the next.
But to think that you can stop anybody from getting a gun is LUDICROUS period. Like the saying goes (as corny as it sounds, its true), "If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns."
And, America isn't exactly as bad as you think. There are 300 million people here from every culture, race, and religion that you can imagine so some problems are excpected. I dont think you especially have the right to critcize us seeing as you are, "watching from outside." And the media likes to blow everything out of proportion.
Yeah, maybe I dont need guns. But like I said, as you comprimise one right, you are that much closer to comprimising the next.
Oh and Voyd this is from a Canadien newspaper. Maybe if we werent so busy saving everybody else's a$$es we'd have time to solve some our of own problems /~unreal/ubb/html/wink.gif
>
>Date: December 19, 1999, 1:47 PM Subject: TRIBUTE TO
THE UNITED
STATES
>
>This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
>
>America: The Good Neighbor.
>
>Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
recently to a
>remarkable
>editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair,
a Canadian
television
>commentator. What follows is the full text of his
trenchant remarks
as
>printed in the Congressional Record:
>
>"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
Americans as the
most
>generous and possibly the least appreciated people
on all the earth.
>Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
Italy were lifted
out
>of
>the debris of war by the Americans who poured in
billions of dollars
and
>forgave other billions in debts.
>
>None of these countries is today paying even the
interest on its
remaining
>debts to the United States. When the franc was in
danger of
collapsing in
>1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and
their reward was to
be
>insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was
there. I saw it.
When
>earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United
States that hurries
in to
>help. This spring, 59 American communities were
flattened by
tornadoes.
>Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman
Policy pumped
billions of
>dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers
in those countries
are
>writing about decadent, warmongering Americans.
>
>I'd like to see just one of those countries that is
gloating over the
>erosion of the United States dollar build its own
airplane. Does any
other
>country in the world have a plane to equal the
Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
>Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas 10? If so, why
don't they fly them?
Why
>do
>all the International lines except Russia fly
American Planes? Why
does no
>other land on earth even consider putting a man or
woman on the moon?
You
>talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
You talk about
German
>technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about
American
technocracy,
>and you find men on the moon - not once, but several
times - and
safely
>home
>again.
>
>You talk about scandals, and the Americans put
theirs right in the
store
>window for everybody to look at . Even their
draft-dodgers are not
pursued
>and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most
of them, unless
they
>are
>breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars
from ma and pa
at
>home
>to spend here.
>
>When the railways of France, Germany and India were
breaking down
through
>age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the
Pennsylvania
Railroad
>and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned
them an old
caboose.
>Both
>are still broke.
>
>I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced
to the help of
other
>people in trouble. Can you name me even one time
when someone else
raced
>to
>the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was
outside help even
during
>the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have
faced it alone, and
I'm
>one
>Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
kicked around. They
will
>come out of this thing with their flag high. And
when they do, they
are
>entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are
gloating over
their
>present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of
those."
>
>Stand proud, Americans
>
>Date: December 19, 1999, 1:47 PM Subject: TRIBUTE TO
THE UNITED
STATES
>
>This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
>
>America: The Good Neighbor.
>
>Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
recently to a
>remarkable
>editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair,
a Canadian
television
>commentator. What follows is the full text of his
trenchant remarks
as
>printed in the Congressional Record:
>
>"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
Americans as the
most
>generous and possibly the least appreciated people
on all the earth.
>Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
Italy were lifted
out
>of
>the debris of war by the Americans who poured in
billions of dollars
and
>forgave other billions in debts.
>
>None of these countries is today paying even the
interest on its
remaining
>debts to the United States. When the franc was in
danger of
collapsing in
>1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and
their reward was to
be
>insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was
there. I saw it.
When
>earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United
States that hurries
in to
>help. This spring, 59 American communities were
flattened by
tornadoes.
>Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman
Policy pumped
billions of
>dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers
in those countries
are
>writing about decadent, warmongering Americans.
>
>I'd like to see just one of those countries that is
gloating over the
>erosion of the United States dollar build its own
airplane. Does any
other
>country in the world have a plane to equal the
Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
>Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas 10? If so, why
don't they fly them?
Why
>do
>all the International lines except Russia fly
American Planes? Why
does no
>other land on earth even consider putting a man or
woman on the moon?
You
>talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
You talk about
German
>technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about
American
technocracy,
>and you find men on the moon - not once, but several
times - and
safely
>home
>again.
>
>You talk about scandals, and the Americans put
theirs right in the
store
>window for everybody to look at . Even their
draft-dodgers are not
pursued
>and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most
of them, unless
they
>are
>breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars
from ma and pa
at
>home
>to spend here.
>
>When the railways of France, Germany and India were
breaking down
through
>age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the
Pennsylvania
Railroad
>and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned
them an old
caboose.
>Both
>are still broke.
>
>I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced
to the help of
other
>people in trouble. Can you name me even one time
when someone else
raced
>to
>the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was
outside help even
during
>the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have
faced it alone, and
I'm
>one
>Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
kicked around. They
will
>come out of this thing with their flag high. And
when they do, they
are
>entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are
gloating over
their
>present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of
those."
>
>Stand proud, Americans
On the contrary, I see your picture very clearly. And in theory Im all for it. In reality, I dont see how it could work without taking away the ability of law abiding citizens to potentially defend themselves if needed.
So its not that we dont see a problem but rather the solution. And comparing gun control to drug addiction is kinda strange. One is used for entertainment and dependency..the other for violence or hunting. Not seeing how they relate other than they are both problems to a degree.
Anyway...its not ignorance as you refer to why nothing is being done..its a practical solution thats fair for all thats the problem..imo.
So its not that we dont see a problem but rather the solution. And comparing gun control to drug addiction is kinda strange. One is used for entertainment and dependency..the other for violence or hunting. Not seeing how they relate other than they are both problems to a degree.
Anyway...its not ignorance as you refer to why nothing is being done..its a practical solution thats fair for all thats the problem..imo.
ls,
nice editorial, but what does that have to do with the subject at hand, gun control?
oh, and in paralle to that article, im trying to help america (in my own insignificant way) /~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif
nice editorial, but what does that have to do with the subject at hand, gun control?
oh, and in paralle to that article, im trying to help america (in my own insignificant way) /~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif
I'm not a gun owner, unless you are planning to rob my house, then I have a bunch, all loaded and pointed at the entry points and I have a hair trigger! /~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif
I just wanted to say... they ban our ability to own guns and what next.. try to keep people from believing in God and stop us from parying public and... oh wait they are already doing that... ban guns too then!
/~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif
I know I'm just stirring up trouble, but that's why I'm leaving now...
I declare myself to be the self-annointed voice of reason for PuF! Opinions expressed by Taskmaster are not necessarily those of Planet Unreal!
I just wanted to say... they ban our ability to own guns and what next.. try to keep people from believing in God and stop us from parying public and... oh wait they are already doing that... ban guns too then!
/~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif
I know I'm just stirring up trouble, but that's why I'm leaving now...
I declare myself to be the self-annointed voice of reason for PuF! Opinions expressed by Taskmaster are not necessarily those of Planet Unreal!
uy,
well, how can u reduce gun crimes when everyone can have a gun? the less have one, the less they are used. unfortunately ls and you are right, the bad guys will have them, but do not think about mafia or huge street gangs as common criminals. the common, often petty criminals which will be content with robbing a grannys house, or attempting to hold up a small mom and pops shop are the ones which are most targeted by gun control. taking guns away from them is the first step to safer society.
my anolgy to drugs, was that they are both harmful. one is illegal the other isnt. yet the one thats legal is the on which causes death and injury, while the illegal one only physically affects the indivudual who chooses to consume them. if anything at all, it should be the other way around.
as whats fair, what is fair and whats not fair? someone getting killed in a drive by shooting, having your kids murdered by gun wielding maniacs at their school? doesnt sound fair to me
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well, how can u reduce gun crimes when everyone can have a gun? the less have one, the less they are used. unfortunately ls and you are right, the bad guys will have them, but do not think about mafia or huge street gangs as common criminals. the common, often petty criminals which will be content with robbing a grannys house, or attempting to hold up a small mom and pops shop are the ones which are most targeted by gun control. taking guns away from them is the first step to safer society.
my anolgy to drugs, was that they are both harmful. one is illegal the other isnt. yet the one thats legal is the on which causes death and injury, while the illegal one only physically affects the indivudual who chooses to consume them. if anything at all, it should be the other way around.
as whats fair, what is fair and whats not fair? someone getting killed in a drive by shooting, having your kids murdered by gun wielding maniacs at their school? doesnt sound fair to me
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Damn, how could I have missed a thread like this for so long? This is my specialty.
I own absolutely no "guns." I do posess several firearms, however.
I own a Winchester Defender 12-gauge combat shotgun, chambered to accept standard and magnum shells, and a slug barrel.
I also own a couple of .22 rifles and three handguns, all Government Model 1911A1's in .45 ACP, two of them featuring custom work done by myself.
I am a military brat, having been taught to shoot at the age of 9 by my father, a former Marine NCO.
Portrait of a psychotic mass-murderer? No. I am a fully licensed California Security Guard, and a criminal justice major at my local community college. I have a spotless criminal record and have my sights set on a career with my local police department, followed by a transfer to SWAT duty.
I have and always will continue to support the right of law-abiding citizens to own firearms. L_S, if I had known about the existence of this thread sooner, I would have come to your support earlier. Thank you for defending our 2nd Ammendment rights.
I have a question for everyone in this thread: How many of you have actually been either directly shot at, or have been in an area where a real firefight was occuring and real bullets were being exchanged?
I have been in several such situations and anyone else who has must agree that it is quite an unforgetable experience.
-Wolf Blackstar
"A chainsaw! find some meat!"
I own absolutely no "guns." I do posess several firearms, however.
I own a Winchester Defender 12-gauge combat shotgun, chambered to accept standard and magnum shells, and a slug barrel.
I also own a couple of .22 rifles and three handguns, all Government Model 1911A1's in .45 ACP, two of them featuring custom work done by myself.
I am a military brat, having been taught to shoot at the age of 9 by my father, a former Marine NCO.
Portrait of a psychotic mass-murderer? No. I am a fully licensed California Security Guard, and a criminal justice major at my local community college. I have a spotless criminal record and have my sights set on a career with my local police department, followed by a transfer to SWAT duty.
I have and always will continue to support the right of law-abiding citizens to own firearms. L_S, if I had known about the existence of this thread sooner, I would have come to your support earlier. Thank you for defending our 2nd Ammendment rights.
I have a question for everyone in this thread: How many of you have actually been either directly shot at, or have been in an area where a real firefight was occuring and real bullets were being exchanged?
I have been in several such situations and anyone else who has must agree that it is quite an unforgetable experience.
-Wolf Blackstar
"A chainsaw! find some meat!"
Voyd, the first of those two posts were my comments on gun control. I posted the second one (containing the editorial) because you were disssing the US, saying how you "hope we find the right path blah blah."
Voyd, there is no way in hell the gun supply would ever dry up. If they banned guns, organized crime would cash in big time. You don't think any common criminal would be able to get a gun? LOL! Automatic weapons are illegal here, but I bet you I could easily find somebody who could sell one to me. Obviously this would not work, the government would spend millions upon millions of dollars, and a gazillion man hours to ban guns. Why not focus all this money and energy instead on education and restructuring our legal system? Like I said, you can keep chopping away at that weed forever, but it wont go away until you kill the roots. Gun bans would be senseless, find the issues BEHIND the violence and fix them.
And I cant say this enough about rights. Voyd have you ever read the book 1984? Have you ever heard of the Nazis? What? You think this stuff cant happen? Then why do we have specific AMENDMENTS in our Constitution giving us these rights?
And Voyd, I seriously think you have the wrong view of America, all you see is what the media feeds you. It seems to me that you think every little city has gang warfare and that if anybody gets pissed off the first thing we do is pull out our guns. Well thats just plain silly and untrue.
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Voyd, there is no way in hell the gun supply would ever dry up. If they banned guns, organized crime would cash in big time. You don't think any common criminal would be able to get a gun? LOL! Automatic weapons are illegal here, but I bet you I could easily find somebody who could sell one to me. Obviously this would not work, the government would spend millions upon millions of dollars, and a gazillion man hours to ban guns. Why not focus all this money and energy instead on education and restructuring our legal system? Like I said, you can keep chopping away at that weed forever, but it wont go away until you kill the roots. Gun bans would be senseless, find the issues BEHIND the violence and fix them.
And I cant say this enough about rights. Voyd have you ever read the book 1984? Have you ever heard of the Nazis? What? You think this stuff cant happen? Then why do we have specific AMENDMENTS in our Constitution giving us these rights?
And Voyd, I seriously think you have the wrong view of America, all you see is what the media feeds you. It seems to me that you think every little city has gang warfare and that if anybody gets pissed off the first thing we do is pull out our guns. Well thats just plain silly and untrue.
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Oh yeah and if anybody's interested, I have....
A Ruger 10/22 .22 rifle with a cheap little Tasco scope. It's my favorite gun cuz its so cheap to shoot, and its reliable as hell.
A Remington 12 gauge pump
A Smith and Wesson .22 pistol
A Norinco SKS 7.62x39. Bought it for $100 @ a gunshow, threw one of those lightweight carbon stocks on it (its a chinese gun and the original stock seemed like it was built for a midget) plus a Tasco scope, and it's hella accurate for a $100 gun!
If I had more time and money, I'd probably be more into guns than I am into video games.
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A Ruger 10/22 .22 rifle with a cheap little Tasco scope. It's my favorite gun cuz its so cheap to shoot, and its reliable as hell.
A Remington 12 gauge pump
A Smith and Wesson .22 pistol
A Norinco SKS 7.62x39. Bought it for $100 @ a gunshow, threw one of those lightweight carbon stocks on it (its a chinese gun and the original stock seemed like it was built for a midget) plus a Tasco scope, and it's hella accurate for a $100 gun!
If I had more time and money, I'd probably be more into guns than I am into video games.
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since like 85% of this boards users are americans and the topic is how many guns you own, pretty much only americans will read and post in this thread. its useless for me to continue this. obviously guns are very important in the US, so much so to show it off to others, much like youd show off a new car. whatever...your country is the one with the huge crimes and crappy court system, not mine. im just trying to give my view and opinion on the situation. clearly outside opinion isnt wanted. ill let you all bask in the glory of your holy guns. disgusting.
Voyd, are you saying that somehow we measure our worth by how many guns we own? Dude shut up. Obviously the title of this thread is going to attract gun enthuisiasts and whats wrong with discussing our hobby? It's no different than discussing video cards or whatnot. In fact, outside of my family I dont know a single person who is into guns.
lol, now cmon man, you know i was only discussing gun control, and i didnt get personal (except where it needed to be for contextual purposes). i never judged anyones "worth". youre just getting all riled up /~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif its good too, cause without a certain passion you can not have any sort of debate. i dont have any real beef with america at all, hell we profit more than anyone else from sharing a border with you guys. this particular subject however does get me in a discussion mood. and if youd know me in real life im a VERY big debater, and love to argue. sometimes just for the hell of it, and sometimes very seriously. this is about halfway in between. i truly beleive in what i have said, but at the same time i am not some fanatic which is gonna organize an anti-gun rally.
although....it is kinda my business seeing as how canada pretty much adopts american trends and copies alot of your culture. in many ways, were a mini-USA. i guess i just dont want that one part of my country to become how it is in yours.
but im sorry ive contributed in ruining your thread.
oh yeah, i almost forgot...LS sux /~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif
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although....it is kinda my business seeing as how canada pretty much adopts american trends and copies alot of your culture. in many ways, were a mini-USA. i guess i just dont want that one part of my country to become how it is in yours.
but im sorry ive contributed in ruining your thread.
oh yeah, i almost forgot...LS sux /~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif
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