GUN CONTROL

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DedMeat

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Boy am I glad that I live in the UK.

I know things are not perfect here but I like the fact that our police do not need to routinely carry firearms. I simply could not live a society where I felt so threatened that I had to carry a couple of 45's in my own house. It's even illegal to own a switchblade here, and thats the way I like it.

I was a military man, and I was trained to use combat firearms in combat situations (close quarter battle etc). The weapons I used were designed to kill and maim people. Although I enjoyed CQB shooting I gladly gave it up when I left the military. IMHO there is no place for these kind of weapons in a civilised society.
I will never forget the feeling I had when I first heard of the masacre of 5 year old childern in a school in Scotland which resulted in the latest strengtheneing of UK gun laws.
If UK gun control and my resulting lack of rights stops another child being killed by some nutter I'm happy.
I does seem that you guys in the US have a problem. Like i said, I'm just glad I live in the UK.





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Bounca, you can keep your point of view :) That's your opinion. BTW /me wonders if you live in the US or not/in a high crime area or not. I, unlike you, have had my family's safety threatened--by a co-worker no-less. My employers could not do anything about it and if I had gone to the police they would have been just as helpful. Like it has been said above, the police are geared to act after the crime. My point is, you don't know when your life is going to make a drastic turn and you may find yourself in the situation where you may NEED a gun. All the big a$s dogs & bats are NOT going to protect you. Like I said I don't own a gun, but if I ever need one, it would be much better if I'm able to get one, legally. BTW was I ever sarcastic to u? Why get personal? I'm not forcing my opinion on U, just voicing my opinion of what the situation is here in the US.

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Here is how I look at it.

How will a law prevent people who continually break laws from getting guns? By definition it will only prevent those who follow the law from getting firearms. It just doesn’t make sense. Did prohibition keep people from making and drinking alcohol? It was an utter failure! The mob got rich from producing the drinks, and I guarantee that they will make even more off of gun sales.

I am happy for those of you living in other countries that have a lower crime, and murder rate, but I don't think your gun control laws will work here. I also doubt they are the reason for your low murder rate. Lower populations seem more likely, combined also with less racial diversity and a larger sense of cultural history tied to your country and society.

The U.S. is a new country based on the principles of personal freedom and accomplishment. We pride ourselves on being able to make the right choices for our lives, with limited government intervention. Gun control will simply be a way to limit those personal freedoms without guaranteeing any amount of safety.

Lastly is the old tried and true argument:
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people". I know it's cliched, but if you stop and think about it, what is really scary is not the fact that there are so many weapons for murderers, but that there are so many murderers for weapons. What we should do is look to see what we are teaching our children and the values we instill in them, instead of blaming an inanimate object.


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We should rename this thread to "Cliches-O-Rama". ;)

Like Ehud said, the U.S. is a new country. Forgive us Lord, for we know not what we do. :) Wait another couple years and see what happens. For now, gun control is going to be debated beyond the point of change. So kick back and enjoy the ride, because it's DEFINITELY going to be a long one.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>...but I don't think your gun control laws will work here. I also doubt they are the reason for your low murder rate. Lower populations seem more likely, combined also with less racial diversity and a larger sense of cultural history tied to your country and society.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
For the sake of argument, in this discussion, I think we're comparing Europe to the US.
Europe has a population of about 375 million people (not counting Russia), while the US has about 275 million.
"We" have less gun related incidents, So I think your speculation about a lower population is false. I think we are quite diverse, it's just that when we fight about it we create World Wars.
Can't argue about our larger sense of cultural history though. ;)
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>We pride ourselves on being able to make the right choices for our lives, with limited government intervention. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So do we, we just don't need guns for it.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>Lastly is the old tried and true argument:
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It is true, it's just that guns make it a lot easier to kill people.

Example: If someone is, for whatever reason, very pissed off, and wants to kill people, here he has to go out and find a place to buy a gun; by the time he finds it, assuming he will, it is very well possible that he has cooled down a lot, and sees a different sollution to his problems. In the US, he would go to the kitchen of his house, take out whatever gun is available, and he would go on a rampage, possibly killing a lot of people.

To UY: Did you find some valid points yet ?

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Another point overlooked by these Contries with no guns...Whats one thing that will never happen on American soil but could on your soil? A WAR!! Think about this, Next time your sorry a$$ country needs assistance cause you just got invaded who you gonna call? Put down the USA? Bahh this is one of the best countries in the world for lots of reasons. I say we will never fight a war on our soil because of one thing...GUNS! Think about it. How many people is it gonna take to take over America? Way to dam many cause on every corner there will be hundreds of people willing to die to save their country. With what you might ask? American people with GUNS...Not just the army (like your countries)but every dam American will fight. All you guys can do (in other countries)is hide or get a knife and hope like hell you can throw it 100 yards lol a knife in a gun fight...Get my point? Even if you took the biggest populated country in the world how ya gonna get enough of them over here? It is a proven fact that if you can carry a weapon on you you are alot less likely to get robbed rapped or killed cause the bad guys dont know if you got a gun or not. If they are alot more likely to die then they are alot less likely to attack people. Your dam right I am gonna keep my gun. Let them enter my house. I will shoot to kill! The only thing that bothers me about our laws is that they have to have a weapon in hand or threaten you before you can defend yourself. If they are in my house at 3:00 in the morning I should have every right to assume they mean harm! America does have some bad points to it but what Country does not? I would love to live in a country free of guns but it can never go back to that inside of the USA. Way to many people would hide the guns and use them on us poor defensless people (once we turned ours in). Not a chance..If they show up at my door to take my guns they better be ready to kill me cause I will defend my right to keep and bear arms! I realize that my statements might pi$$ a few off but oh well such is life. Time will tell who will win the wars on your soil not on ours :p
 

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C'mon Candy....take it easy man. I know how you feel but thats almost another issue and I dont want this to turn into a flame war. Btw...get me on ICQ and lets play....been a long time ol friend.

Speaking of flames...I commend all of you in your restraint of flames. This forum has advanced much. A year ago you couldnt take a position on anything without being told to go fuk off or something. This forum seems to be in a much better state now.

I still and will always believe that crime, killing, robbery, rape, etc., is caused by mental instability and not hardware although guns are certainly the most efficient tools for killing. You really have to be void in certain character/moral traits to ever actually kill somebody. (exception being war) and even in war it is very disturbing the first few times...hell its always disturbing...the taking of a life. But Im talking about the US in peacetime...not wartime on foreign soil.

I do not believe in possesion of weapons that cannot be used for hunting and self defense.
An Uzi or M16, automatics, are not necessary for self defense in the civilian community and therefore I believe, as a 1st step, these type of weapons shold be made illegal and confiscated. However the brunt of the killings in thic country are by pistols and I do believe a person has the right to own a pistol for reasons stated earlier. Sooo....this becomes a complex issue.

And there is still the unanswered question of a legit program to take the guns away form the criminal element. THIS HAS TO HAPPEN.
Maybe not overnight....but progress in this area has to be made....has to.

We have to punish hard those who would take a life. Hard and fast. All would then get a clear message that this country will no longer tolerate deadly violence. Only deadly force in self defense would be possibly appropriate.

The greatest times of peace in the world have come after a war. War produces peace as has been demonstrated since documented time.

So a war on killers is my suggestion. Execute them. I dont care how many there are. Let everybody know that if you take a life you will forfeit your own. Period.


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Now that I vented a little bit, I would like to say I would love to live in a society free of violence and crime (no country has it perfect). It is true we need to look at our country and try to figure out what is causing our problems. I would tend to agree it has alot to do with so many diffent cultures trying to live in one country. Again I have a family and in our country guns are truely needed because there are so many availible to the criminals. In you countries guns may not be needed but in ours they are. If at any given point in your life your wife or daughters life is threatened I would give bet one hundred dollars that you would wish you had a gun to stop something terrible from happining to one of them. Let someone come into your house even with a knife and kill your family...You would give everything you own to have had a gun at that time to stop somone from killing your family. Our Country may not be perfect but for some odd reason we are the only true super power left on the face of the earth. Please dont bash a Country that has done more to help out other nations than any other. We spend more money helping out other countries than most have as a national income. That does not mean all Countries but most of them. No-one is perfect..name one country that does not have problems??? It is sad to see other Countries bashing another because of something like they have more murders per capita. (or whatever).
 

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Slachter,

Europe is a continent, made up of smaller countries with their own governing system. Each contry has its own culture and people. To lump Germany and France together and compare that to the U.S. is unfair. Try mixing the Irish, with the Italians, with the Chinese, with the Austrians, with the many different nationalities of Africa, and enough Polish people to shake a stick at within one city, and you have the great city of Chicago where I live. Which is a lot smaller than say France, England, Germany, or even Belgium, yet we have a more diverse population.

Also to say that all governments in Europe are based on the principles of individual liberties is bogus. Most governments are based on socialism (not all, every country is different). In the U.S. we enjoy every aspect of our freedoms. I love the fact that I can wake up, drive to my friends house in Wisconsin, and hunt all day. Or just the fact that I can take my shotgun out and do some shootin without some government beurocrat breathin down my neck. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the persuite of happiness as stated in the constitution it the greatest idea about the United States. What makes one person happy may not another. Freedom brings happiness, but it also brings responsiblity, and I think that is the key to lowering the crime rate.

Anyway I have enjoyed this argument greatly, It's nice to discuss things with people and not get labled, or called names.

Sorry about any mispellings, I don't have word installed right now.
 

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.... and here it is! :) <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>Sure, I'm sure there are people out there that would rather be a$s raped than admit that they would rather have a gun. That's fine. Over here, we have choices. Be good, be bad. Trust in your government, or trust in your own ability to defend yourself.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Are you saying all crimes are committed inside the victim's home? Because otherwise you'd have to be able to defend yourself outside, too. Which would mean the majority of the people would be carrying guns on the streets. And that is not a good development.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>One thing you can count on being a factor in the way people view guns is the media, which is for the most part biased. The Rosie O'Donnells of the world would have every gun owner--regardless of registration or not--put in jail.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I do not know about the other Euros, but I have never heard of Rosie Whatever, and I have access to some pretty unbiased (European) newschannels.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>An Uzi or M16, automatics, are not necessary for self defense in the civilian community and therefore I believe, as a 1st step, these type of weapons should be made illegal and confiscated. However the brunt of the killings in thic country are by pistols and I do believe a person has the right to own a pistol for reasons stated earlier.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Two things:
- An Uzi or M16 is much more efficient to defend yourself or your family. Especially if the criminal merely carries a pistol. I'd rather have one of those than some measly pistol.
- the brunt...: Killings are bad, right? Then this reasoning would lead to a ban on all pistols and small firearms (since most killings are done with these), and to allowing people to bear Uzis and M16s (since only a small number of killings is done with these).
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>Again I have a family and in our country guns are truely needed because there are so many availible to the criminals.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Again, if you somehow took away guns from criminals, you wouldn't need to defend yourself with one. Focus on the removal, not the increase of guns.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>I love the fact that I can wake up, drive to my friends house in Wisconsin, and hunt all day. Or just the fact that I can take my shotgun out and do some shootin without some government beurocrat breathin down my neck.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The only thing we can't do in Europe is wake up in Wisconsin. ;) We can hunt (with a shotgun!), without anybody breathing down our necks.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>I guess what I'm trying to say is that the persuite of happiness as stated in the constitution it the greatest idea about the United States.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's great. You have the right to pursue happiness. Does your constitution say anything about achieving it? I know very few people (even the terminally depressed), who are not at all times pursuing happiness. This right holds as much value (to me) as the right to be bored or dislike daffodils. ;) ;)
 

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Right, I hate doing this, but I don't see any other way to get this point across....

Here goes: [CAPS LOCK]

NOBODY HERE HAS SAID THAT SIMPLY GETTING GUN CONTROL LAWS WOULD STOP CRIME OR MURDER!!! WE'RE ONLY SAYING THAT ALLOWING GUNS WILL MAKE THINGS WORSE!!!!! THAT IS WHAT THIS DISCUSSION HAS BEEN ABOUT!!!!!!! IF YOU ALLOW GUNS YOU'RE SCREWED FOREVER!!!

[CAPS LOCK]
/me takes a couple of deep breaths :) :)

I'm sorry about that, but I think it was neccessary. We're not discussing people's rights here, nor history, nor racism, we're talking about the US making a very wrong decision (IMO).
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>I still and will always believe that crime, killing, robbery, rape, etc., is caused by mental instability and not hardware although guns are certainly the most efficient tools for killing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think everybody agrees on this.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>And there is still the unanswered question of a legit program to take the guns away form the criminal element. THIS HAS TO HAPPEN.
Maybe not overnight....but progress in this area has to be made....has to.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>YES! That's exactly what has to happen, but you'll only make this harder by increasing the number of guns. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>An Uzi or M16, automatics, are not necessary for self defense in the civilian community and therefore I believe, as a 1st step, these type of weapons shold be made illegal and confiscated. However the brunt of the killings in thic country are by pistols and I do believe a person has the right to own a pistol for reasons stated earlier.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Look at the first two quotes. If you could somehow solve these, would you still need to defend yourself? (Cuz I don't think so, at least not with guns)

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Seems alot of americans are so used to the idear that guns give defense, for them and family.
But somehow if you check the police records, more people are killed that have an gun to defend themselves, as criminals are killed by people defending their selves/homes.



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>I say we will never fight a war on our soil because of one thing...GUNS! Think about it. How many people is it gonna take to take over America? Way to dam many cause on every corner there will be hundreds of people willing to die to save their country. With what you might ask? American people with GUNS...Not just the army (like your countries)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry candyman, but I don't see an armed population, even a large one, armed only with smallarms being very effective against a well equipped army with artilery, tanks and air support, not to mention nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. I think you're kidding yourself. Your main line of defence is your armed forces, an armed population makes no difference (no offense - just my opinion)

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Hmmm, I beg to differ about the armed population. Lets take for example Russia and (chez) that was just a few thousand fighters up against russias mighty weapons..Guess what a few hundred thousand armed people would have done. Russia would have never attemted their invasion if they had that many people fighting against them. Most fighting would be done inside of cities like in (chez) Those small weapons could hold their own as proven in CHEZ. All of these tanks and air support you speak of, Where are they all going to come from? Now once you know where how are they going to get them all here, Your kidding yourself if you think that any and I mean any nation could take the US on its own turf. It cannot happen here but it can happen to you guys. I realize that the armed forces is our biggest defense but we would not have to rely solely on them as you would. You guys would have to go hide, or fight with sticks and knifes, our women and children would hide but most guys would have every availible weapon to fight with. We would win and there would be no question about it. Most of the other nations are not prepared to fight 3 major battles at the same time. We are. We have the most advanced battle weapons availible to man kind. Most of what you guys have is our left overs or our second class weapons we sell to you guys. What we do sell to you guys normally is not as high tech as what we have readily availible at our disposal. If we do sell a country our best weapons we make dam sure that they wont be used against us (this could happen though) I realize also that nuclear weapons would be the greatest weapon but if you stop and think about that for one second, who-ever shoots a few at us will more than get triple sent back, No-one will win and everyone will lose so I dont really think nuclear will happen.
A few USA states have it to where normal citizens can carry firearms for protection. You have to have a permit but it is a proven fact in those places crime has dropped dramatically. That more than proves that armed citizens do deter crime. Our huge crime rates (as you put it) are on the decrease and have been the last few years. The only thing you can say is yours are on the increase. We are just a few years ahead of other nations for crime. It is going to happen in your nations to I promise you that!
M16s and uzis would be much better to defend yourself with. There are some around but mostly just low lifes and drug dealers have them...you nations have these weapons also. Those weapons are illegal in the usa so thats why people dont admit they have them or use them as protection.
You cannot remove the hudreds of thousands of weapons. In your country it may be okay to do that but in ours people will kill for the right to keep them. That is in our constitution and we believe in our rights to have and own weapons.
The pursuit of happiness is the right to do things without big brother stepping on your toes and saying things like your not from here so your not welcome to stay. Come to the USA and see what there is before you bash it. You read in your silly newspapers (probably censoured) about the bad things in the USA. I bet you never read anything good about us because that is not what people like to read about. That dont sell papers but the goory gruesome stuff is what people want to hear about when comparing their nations to others. The same holds true for the television stations...news (bad news) is what you are looking for and you will find it not about just the USA but about every country out there. The media knows what people are most interested in. Thats what they show.
You say the only thing you cant do is wake up in Wisconsin...lets compare this to your country, Go outside of your hmmm providence and go hunting and see what happens, We can go anywhere in the USA and hunt (with permission) I'll bet you can't do that. That would be like you traveling 1500 miles away from your home and still being able to hunt? Can you do that? We have more freadoms than you can imagine, Along with that comes responsibility, Not every one in the USA is bad, Its just the bad ones are all terrible ones :) Most of us just like most of you are good honest people. The way I look at it is most shootings are done in the bigger inner cities (not always). Gangs and drug dealers killing themselves, I say good let them kill theirselves off. It is truelly sad when others get into the middle of a street fight and get injured in the process.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>You read in your silly newspapers (probably censoured) about...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You shouldn't have said this, it could be seen as insulting.
About the rest of your post, at the moment I'm too tired to reply (it's 330 am here, just got back from the city), maybe tomorrow, if I find anything to reply to.



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Azmo;
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>- have an abortion (with which I only partially agree)
- end our lives with the help of doctors (only when your life isn't, and never will be, bearable. I.e. terminally ill, comatose people)
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These are examples americans will use against us. I agree with them, under strict rules, but still. And it is OT in this thread. Sorry to have to bug you again ;)
And also, I believe we may NOT flame our Queen, but I could be wrong here.

As for candyman; if I recall correctly we were talking about Europe/countries in Europe vs. the US/States in the US. About guncontrol. Apparantly you don't know what you're talking about, because, and I have said this before, we are at least as free here. We can do anything we like, as long as we don't bother anyone.

For all gun advocates; I'd still like an answer to my example earlier.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>Example: If someone is, for whatever reason, very pissed off, and wants to kill people, here he has to go out and find a place to buy a gun; by the time he finds it, assuming he will, it is very well possible that he has cooled down a lot, and sees a different sollution to his problems. In the US, he would go to the kitchen of his house, take out whatever gun is available, and he would go on a rampage, possibly killing a lot of people.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Do you agree?



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Sorry bout it sounding so insulting but I think alot of people in other countries dont realalize how much big brother decides what is said or done in their countries. Be it nieve or the blind leading the blind most countries dont believe in true true freedom of the press, or freedom of speech. If we dont like our leadership we can protest it peacefully (freadom of speech). I think in most countries this is cosidered a cardnal sin. As a matter of fact we can even have our leaders removed from office (with enough votes)This although has not happened very often but it would be like us revoting to have a president in office. Try something like that in your country and you would probably be shot or imprisoned. Mind you I am not talking about impeachment but it is just as effective if most people agree somone should not be in office. Watch what you like. But most countries are censored one way or another. Say what you like in your countries but I would not do it to loudly or your liable to wake up in prison. America is known as the land of freedom, Its not because of all the crime lol
 

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Let's not get too much OT, k?

candyman, you have no idea about the freedom we have in the Netherlands. In our country we are free to:
- burn the flag
- flame our queen and government
- force our government to undo decisions
- be a communist (which I am not)
- drink beer at 16
- smoke marihuana at 18
- use words like b!tch, a$$, fuck, etc., without being censored (which is pointless anyway)
- have an abortion (with which I only partially agree)
- end our lives with the help of doctors (only when your life isn't, and never will be, bearable. I.e. terminally ill, comatose people)

We do not get arrested for any of these. Furtermore our TV news programs are funded (but not controlled/checked) by the government, so our news actually has some credibility. It's not just there to get higher ratings, like on most commercial TV networks.

I cannot travel 1500 miles from my home and hunt, because I'd have to cross at least two foreign countries to get that far from my home. Can you take a trip to Panama and hunt there? Didn't think so. :)

Can you give me one example of a country that is likely to invade all of Europe during the next decade? (Note: "the Russians!" is a nono answer) I think the threat of war in the Western civilization is negligible, so I don't see much use for "war" as an argument in this discussion (which was about the right to bear arms, AFAIR). BTW, there's always nucular missels ;).

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>The pursuit of happiness is the right to do things without big brother stepping on your toes and saying things like your not from here so your not welcome to stay. Come to the USA and see what there is before you bash it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I was just pointing out that the right to pursue something has no meaning at all, because it says nothing about achieving it.

Back to topic (right to bear arms).

I would really like an answer to these questions:

- Are you US guys talking about having weapons in your homes to defend yourself there, or do you want to bear arms on the streets as well?

- Do all crimes take place inside people's homes?

- Where do illegal weapons come from? (I.e. are they imported or taken from law abiding citizens)

- Will every US citizen take enough safety precautions concerning the storage of their weapons? (Accesibility to kids)

- Can goodguys be shot by badguys? (Your movies make me believe otherwise ;)) So you'll just kill the intruder, and he won't kill you, right?

- Do you want your relatives to become involved / threatened by a shootout inside your home?

- Won't more legal guns produce more illegal guns? (If you get shot, your gun will probably be taken and used to commit a crime)

No offence/disrespect, I would just like some answers to these questions (as I think they are crucial to this discussion).

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Yes that does happen here, People going into their house and getting a weapon and using it. That would be the same as someone getting a knife outta your kitchen cabinet and using it also. In your country they would have to go out and find a weapon, by then he could calm down. yes that is very true, I am sure that happens here to. Alot of our violence comes from the younger generation. They believe that if they get into a fist fight or get put down by someone, it okay to do what ever means to get back your self respect and honor. I believe there are other ways to do this but the younger generation believes any thing you do to get it back is okay.
Slaucher (sp) Why would Americans hold that agianst you guys? (abortions and doctors killing you) Those are called freedom of choice. In America it is illegal to smoke pot unless you are terminally ill. That is one I dont have a good answer on. Some say legalize it like beer and the problems would go away associated with pot. I would tend to agree (driving while under the influence of pot) should be illegal here though.
Now for the questions you wanted answered
1)Are you US guys talking about having weapons in your homes to defend yourself there, or do you want to bear arms on
the streets as well
Answer) I would love to see weapons just inside the homes for personal defense and for hunting. That is not what happens when bad guys get ahold of weapons. Some states have made it legal to carry weapons outside the home. This has been proven that this lowers the crime rate dramatically.
2)Do all crimes take place inside people's homes?
answer) no, Nor in any nation does these crimes happen just inside the home.
3) Where do illegal weapons come from? (I.e. are they imported or taken from law abiding citizens)
illegal weapons i.e. uzis and m16s come from the black maket, imported or stolen. if they were illegal weapons they should not be in the hands of law abiding citizens. These are what the bad boys use. Most have nothing to do with them what so ever. Hand guns can be bought about anywhere though. They are small and pack a quick punch, That is why these weapons are so popular.
4) Will every US citizen take enough safety precautions concerning the storage of their weapons? (Accesibility to kids)
answer) Kids under the age of 6 should not have access to guns IMO. At age 7 and older I believe they should be taught about safety and the proper usage of guns. If kids are taught about weapons (the good and the bad) there would not be the problems with accidental shootings. this goes right along with anything else in the world that is dangerous, proper safe handling is a must for anyone with a fire arm. No matter how much you try to put your weapons away, If they are wanted bad enough they can get them. Locks can be picked and broken. I believe the answer here again would be to teach kids about the dangers of weapons. Knives can be just as dangerous if used the wrong ways. Your kids have access to knives dont they? Why dont they use them? Because they know they are dangerous.
5)Can goodguys be shot by badguys? (Your movies make me believe otherwise ) So you'll just kill the intruder, and he
won't kill you, right?
answer) what kind of a question is that? You know as well as I do that the bad guys get killed and alot of times the good guys do to (in real life situations). Please ask real questions :)
6)Do you want your relatives to become involved / threatened by a shootout inside your home?
answer) no that is a very dumb question. Of course not but on the other hand if something does happened and they are threatened the 3 to 5 minutes it would take for the cops to get here might be a little to late. I would rather have a weapon in hand to defend my family.
7)Won't more legal guns produce more illegal guns? (If you get shot, your gun will probably be taken and used to commit a
crime)
answer) no, I dont believe this an issue. Most of the time the criminal has around 3 to five minutes to get away, taking a weapon that can be linked would be a bad move cause then it would link them to murder also not just the crime they would commit with that weapon. Why if they have a weapon would they want another one? Most of the time the murder weapons are within 1 mile of the crime scene ditched to avoid being caught with it. Taking the other weapon would only link them back to the original crime.

How many different religions do you guys have in your countries? We have every type known to man kind here within a 2000 mile area, All able to go anywhere they want and mingle amoung others. That is where alot of the tensions come from. I would hardly doubt you guys have this many religons within your countries. I would love to have three or four types of nationalitys but then again that would make me pregedous(sp). Anyways with so many different backgrounds who would we get rid of :) That was where the original topic came from, people of one religion killing of a whole other type of religion or beliefs. If you think about it for a second thats what was going to happen to Americans when we first delared our independance, A certain Country :) Thought they would knock out our beliefs and take control of us. We proved them very wrong. This same country today is one of our better friends. They back then were going to make America go under the queens rule and we would have to obey her wishes, Hmm lots must have changed since then huh? I this year will celebrate our independance along with all other Americans on July 4th. I am very proud of what our for fathers did to make our contry safe from other countries telling us what we could and could not do.

QUESTION, If someone is, for whatever reason, very pissed off, and wants to kill people, here he has to go out
and find a place to buy a gun; by the time he finds it, assuming he will, it is very well possible that he has
cooled down a lot, and sees a different sollution to his problems. In the US, he would go to the kitchen of his
house, take out whatever gun is available, and he would go on a rampage, possibly killing a lot of people.
Answer) This has happened in every country in the world. If its not a gun its a knife or car or whatever means a person has access to. America is not alone when it comes to violence which is what this topic is about. You might say no its about gun control but it is not that is just a means to violence. We did what your countries do now 20 years ago. We used fists or knives or sticks. It will happen in your country. As I have said before we are ahead a few years when it comes to guns and violence. It is going to happen in your country to. Our violence is dropping like crazy, every major type of crime has droped dramatically in the past three years, can you say that in yours? No cause its gonna get worse for you guys. You guys ever see our shows called cops? Those shows are taped in the the worse areas in the USA. They are real but that is not what America is all about. We have in our city around 12 murders a year. These are mostly two types, drugs related or domestic violence (family issues). These same things happen in your countries to just either not to the same extreme or they use different weapons.