"Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" suing manufacturer

[Balton]

Also, how can you "murder" someone in a game where "resurrecting" people has become second nature and no one really "dies"? Profanity can be disabled ad-hoc, I can hear all of the taunts without any profanity (except inuendo of course). GTA is nothing like 2k4. Mainly time period, but aside from that there are still skads of differences.

ehrm, when you kill people in gta(doesnt matter which part of the series) an ambulance car comes to "ressurect" the dead people.

not that this makes any difference since this crusade is extremely dumb.
The hot coffe mod got some in action airtime on german tv on a games show. So far nobody has complained. I love my country for that.

 

[Zlal]

This kind of story happens pretty much every year - some game is blamed for something or has "nuaghty" content. It was manhunt last year/earlier, and GTA seems to get it every now and again. I just don't get why...
I've never exactly been stopped from watching 18 films or playing violent games, but I always knew it was just a game and not real. It applies to everything, though... films arn't real, games arn't real, television mostly isn't real. Nudity is everywhere, so is swearing and violence. So what is it about games that attract so much attention? They don't sell as well as films and arn't as easy to access as television, and yet film and tv is more realistic.
I've never understood why it attracts so much attention where other forms of entertainment don't.

(hi, btw)

 

[Rukee]

I suppose DRIV3R will be next to get slammed. You can drive around, hit another car and they report "an incident has accured", you wait around the corner for the cops to get there and when they get out of the car you can come flying around the corner and run them over, a couple times. They realy hate it when you run them over....the more you run them over the more violations you get, after so many the cops start to line the sidewalks and shoot at your tires as you drive by. Sometimes the pedestrians will start to shoot it out with the cops too.

 

[Sir_Brizz]

ehrm, when you kill people in gta(doesnt matter which part of the series) an ambulance car comes to "ressurect" the dead people.

not that this makes any difference since this crusade is extremely dumb.
The hot coffe mod got some in action airtime on german tv on a games show. So far nobody has complained. I love my country for that.

Well, right, no matter what you think, this whole crusade against 3rd party content is the most ridiculous BS ever.

 

[GoAt]

you say there is no nudity in UT (all series) unless you go looking for it, or download it.


SAME FSKING THING WITH GTA except you have to go download it.

 

[Rukee]

...sept they are saying that in GTA the content is already in the game, just hidden, and is unlocked with the dnld. It`s the fact that the nudity is included in the game when sold from the store shelves that`s the problem.

 

[Sir_Brizz]

...sept they are saying that in GTA the content is already in the game, just hidden, and is unlocked with the dnld. It`s the fact that the nudity is included in the game when sold from the store shelves that`s the problem.

:tup:

 

[Nachimir]

I don't get why nudity is a problem.

 

[Kyllian]

First of all, you can't see nudity in UT2004 unless you go looking for it, install it, etc. It's not included in the game at all.

Gee, sounds like the HotCoffee mod for GTA. You have to go looking for the 2rd party content to view the nudity
I also said "near-nudity" Some of the newer female(default) models are showing off quite a bit of skin

Also, how can you "murder" someone in a game where "resurrecting" people has become second nature and no one really "dies"?

The method has been described as a clone gets "awakened" and the memories of the original are downloaded into the brain of the clone
Besides, shooting someone's head off is still murder, even if they are "resurrected"

Profanity can be disabled ad-hoc, I can hear all of the taunts without any profanity (except inuendo of course).

Same with GTA, you just have to modify the sound files

GTA is nothing like 2k4. Mainly time period, but aside from that there are still skads of differences.

What part of they're both built on the same premise: frag the other guy before he can frag you, build up your skills and blow up stuff didn't you get?

 

[Stilgar]

I don't get why nudity is a problem.

It's a perversion of our common sense - nudity is sometimes still seen as something more offensive than gratuitous death and violence.

I was gong to say something else, but I can't clearly put in to words my befuddlement about this issue.

 

[Sir_Brizz]

Gee, sounds like the HotCoffee mod for GTA. You have to go looking for the 2rd party content to view the nudity
I also said "near-nudity" Some of the newer female(default) models are showing off quite a bit of skin

Read Rukee's post above.

Since when is "showing off skin" as bad as nudity? Girls walk around the streets here with hardly anything covering themselves, as long as they aren't nude it's alright I guess. The females in the game are quite a bit more clothed than your standard downtown Chicago fare.

The method has been described as a clone gets "awakened" and the memories of the original are downloaded into the brain of the clone
Besides, shooting someone's head off is still murder, even if they are "resurrected"

It's still different. Respawning isn't exactly resurrecting (like I mistakenly said before). Besides, UT is a game about players in a tournament who are EXPECTING to kill or be killed. In GTA you are just shooting people.

Same with GTA, you just have to modify the sound files

And this makes it the same...how? So as opposed to just clicking a checkbox, I have to extract all the sounds, bleepo out the profanity, package it all back up. Sounds the same to me.

What part of they're both built on the same premise: frag the other guy before he can frag you, build up your skills and blow up stuff didn't you get?

The part where that had anything to do with it. GTA isn't about kill or be killed, you can get through the whole game without necessarily killing anyone (at least in 1-3 you could, don't know about the latest ones). You can't win in UT without killing people. So your little "premise" actually has very little to do with the comparison.

 

[Balton]

ok, this thread leads me to a serious question...


who here sleeps in pyamas?

edit: must be still too spaced out...

 

[Nachimir]

Do you mean "Who here sleep in pyjamas?"

Regardless of what distinctions you make, getting in a tizzy about a digital portrayal of consensual sex is absurd, especially when it requires a download of 3rd party content. If it simulated rape, I'd understand and agree. It doesn't though. It's probably the most psychologically healthy situation in the game, and it had to be dropped to avoid an AO rating 0_o

 

[oosyxxx]

getting in a tizzy about a digital portrayal of consensual sex is absurd

my gramma wouldn't. she also wouldn't mind huffing ammonia.

 

[Mister_Prophet]

It's a game. Ok? A game?

And claiming one form of violence is ok while another isn't, is laughably absurd.

And claiming that nudity is worse than partial nudity where a girl wearing a tissue paper bra and thong is also quite tedious.

And judging from what Sir_Brizz is saying it is evident to me that he either 1) never played GTA or 2) never played it very long. The violent nature in the GTA series is SEVERAL years behind the recent FPS genre. And there is more sexual suggestion in 2k4 than in GTA, yeah that's right. In GTA the only real sex stuff is either uttered by a sound byte or portrayed by a poorly detailed polygon. In 2k4 you have people thrusting their sparesely covered loins in the face of mutilated corpses they have just killed and slapping their asses and it's all done in Hi-res graphix.

It's one thing to stand here and blast GTA for its content but quite another to be a raging hypocrit when the other games you play do the same crap.

And Zlal said the smartest thing in here: TV violence and sex, music violence and sex, and film violence and sex are all reflections to the violence and sex in real life. And some people get in a tussle over a brown pixalation that may or may not be a nipple depending on how close you are to the screen.

 

[GoAt]

we all know it is okay to SUGGEST sex, but to actualy do it... OMG HOW DARE YOU!

 

[Sir_Brizz]

And claiming one form of violence is ok while another isn't, is laughably absurd.

I wasn't. I was simply pointing out that they aren't very similar. The only thing that is even remotely the same is that you can "cause violence".

And claiming that nudity is worse than partial nudity where a girl wearing a tissue paper bra and thong is also quite tedious.

I never said it was. I was talking about what is acceptable in America.

And judging from what Sir_Brizz is saying it is evident to me that he either 1) never played GTA or 2) never played it very long. The violent nature in the GTA series is SEVERAL years behind the recent FPS genre. And there is more sexual suggestion in 2k4 than in GTA, yeah that's right. In GTA the only real sex stuff is either uttered by a sound byte or portrayed by a poorly detailed polygon. In 2k4 you have people thrusting their sparesely covered loins in the face of mutilated corpses they have just killed and slapping their asses and it's all done in Hi-res graphix.

GTa allows you to do whatever you want. If you want to get the cops to chase you then stop as they get out of their cars and then run them over, you can. UT2004 is just about fragging people, there is no (noteworthy) backstory, no sidequests, no dry humping minigame, or whatnot. It's about one thing, killing people in a world where nobody ever dies. What's disturbing about GTA (to me) has little to with the fact that there is violence, but what the violence is.

It's one thing to stand here and blast GTA for its content but quite another to be a raging hypocrit when the other games you play do the same crap.

So now we're like comparing Barney to Kill Bill, right?

 

[Mister_Prophet]

I wasn't. I was simply pointing out that they aren't very similar. The only thing that is even remotely the same is that you can "cause violence".

And that's 80% of the game. All these deplorable things people are saying about GTA loose their charm in about 15 minutes of gameplay and then the game is basically just another story-driven series of missions.

I never said it was. I was talking about what is acceptable in America.

I never said you said it I wasn't quoting you here but rather the twisted general view on the subject. How people can look at a girl wearing a peach colored strip bikini with "I love Penis" on her Vaj patch with a rifle and then look at a naked girl with a rifle standing right next to her and say "That nudity is atrocious! I refuse to view this vulgar sewage as I watch my favorite television show, Chix with Rifles " It's the same with my 2K4/GTA comparison.

GTa allows you to do whatever you want. If you want to get the cops to chase you then stop as they get out of their cars and then run them over, you can. UT2004 is just about fragging people, there is no (noteworthy) backstory, no sidequests, no dry humping minigame, or whatnot. It's about one thing, killing people in a world where nobody ever dies. What's disturbing about GTA (to me) has little to with the fact that there is violence, but what the violence is.

Oh come off it . This game was not spawned by Satan's army. Both games have an agenda, to create environments for people to play in for the sake of violent gaming. UT is competitive violence while GTA is singleplayer (mostly) storydriven violence. They both provide essential gaming attributes, to do things for fun in a entertaining way that you would never do in real life. It's like that nice guy at the deli who is shy and very kind to everyone he meets but also enjoys watching cheesy B-Movies with loads of gore and sex. And like I said, all these novelites with GTA are being way overexaggerated. It's about the same as flipping out on Nudity in Family Guy or South Park. And for anyone who flips out over that...well...they have my sympathies.

So now we're like comparing Barney to Kill Bill, right?

Oh c'mon. If you are seriously gonna compare 2k4 to Barney and Kill Bill to GTA in terms of a depravity PH scale then nothing I suggest is going to mean anything to you. Have fun playing a soft cuddly game of 2k4 and leave the outrageously evil games to deviants like me

 

[Sir_Brizz]

And that's 80% of the game. All these deplorable things people are saying about GTA loose their charm in about 15 minutes of gameplay and then the game is basically just another story-driven series of missions.

I mostly don't like GTA because after 5 minutes it gets pretty boring. I think the stuff that you do in the game (because it's so open ended) can be pretty deplorable... but I hardly think that the game is AO worthy.

I never said you said it I wasn't quoting you here but rather the twisted general view on the subject. How people can look at a girl wearing a peach colored strip bikini with "I love Penis" on her Vaj patch with a rifle and then look at a naked girl with a rifle standing right next to her and say "That nudity is atrocious! I refuse to view this vulgar sewage as I watch my favorite television show, Chix with Rifles " It's the same with my 2K4/GTA comparison.

Okay, agree.

Oh come off it . This game was not spawned by Satan's army. Both games have an agenda, to create environments for people to play in for the sake of violent gaming. UT is competitive violence while GTA is singleplayer (mostly) storydriven violence. They both provide essential gaming attributes, to do things for fun in a entertaining way that you would never do in real life. It's like that nice guy at the deli who is shy and very kind to everyone he meets but also enjoys watching cheesy B-Movies with loads of gore and sex. And like I said, all these novelites with GTA are being way overexaggerated. It's about the same as flipping out on Nudity in Family Guy or South Park. And for anyone who flips out over that...well...they have my sympathies.

I simply find it tasteless, much the way I find South Park tasteless. I guess for a comparison, I don't mind Family Guy, but do mind Southpark so you can draw whatever conclusions from that you would like.

Oh c'mon. If you are seriously gonna compare 2k4 to Barney and Kill Bill to GTA in terms of a depravity PH scale then nothing I suggest is going to mean anything to you. Have fun playing a soft cuddly game of 2k4 and leave the outrageously evil games to deviants like me

No. It was intentionally overexaggerative.

 

[Manticore]

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............the gameplay is really showing its limits. There's only so many different ways of doing things that it gets a bit repetitive.

I've only ever layed one version of this game that someone had for the PS2 and my feelings on the concept, as clever as the execution of the environment/world are, are about the same as the above quote.

After all it is a mission based game mainly and not about DM or arena based thingy........