Evolution or Creation?

[W0RF]

I will start with Noah and the arc. We all know all know that 2 of each kinds of animals came to him 2 by 2, male and female, o and lets not for get the dinosaurs all climbed into the boat, all 30 billion kind of animals.

If we assume that the flood was global, it still wouldn't raise the water level high enough to cover everything. However, if we assume it was local, a flood that put the Mesopotamian Plain under 20 feet of water would flood that area enough that from Noah's vantage point, the water level horizon would be about 8 miles away. Moreover, even the taller mountains would not be visible at a distance of over 50 miles. So from Noah's standpoint, there would nothing but water in every direction.

Further, we have traced humanity's roots back about 30,000 years, when we branched out from... the Mesopotamian Plain. Which also happens to be the only place on earth that bears any evidence that such a massive flood ever took place in humans' brief history on the earth.

If God sent the flood to cleanse the earth of man's rampant wickedness, he would not have had to flood any other part of the earth to accomplish such a task. Therefore, there would be no need to bring animals from outside that region.

 

[Sir_Brizz]

I won!

Oh wait I'm retarded

 

[R-Tillery]

I think you're supposed to kick, punch, bite, scream and maybe dribble whilst the rest of us chant "Jerry, Jerry....."


Oxymoron++



Well done, you just beat the internet with that amazing thought provoking post. Now stop licking the window and get back on the damn bus

No PsychoMoggieBagpuss,, it's not windows I like licking just ask MÆST MoM.. and if your not a dude maybe I can show you,, or are you one of Those guys that like to play female character because of their low self-esteem,, adequate enough to play violent video games but no Manley enough to play a male. Cause I cant show you The R-Tillery if your into all of that.

I wait your reply.

 

[R-Tillery]

Worf..I’m not sure if you are for or against evolution but if you go by the bible, you would have to believe what the bible said,, and it says the whole earth, not parts (the whole thing) be cause God actually talked to Noah and god said the whole earth. Think about it.. If an animal could survive in a dry place then why wouldn’t a man. See that just don’t make since and Science not only uncover that there had been a great flood that covered the whole earth but there had indeed been two other floods before it and if your talking about the bones they found in Africa of the so called first humans,, I hate to brake it to you but there are artifacts and stool fossils that predate the African fossils.

 

[shadow_dragon]

R-Tillery, the ancient world that is commonly approved to be Noah's home land was MASS FLOODED around about the time that Noah was kicking about. There are also many other folktales and stories about great floods in teh same area from similar periods.

The dove that brought noah the sign of land came FROM the boat and why on earth would he have taken dinosaurs on it, they would've died way before he existed?

Also it's been kind of assumed he might not have taken the animals only that the story is a left over folktale adapted into the bible, just likea lot of the current day saints and festive holidays are adaptations of pre existing western beliefs. Etc.

So what about flooding and killing the babies eh? Well, actually the bible puts that into context, ever heard of being born with the sins of your father? In those days a child was born with all that was bad about his father and his fathers father, in him and things were very bad. Hence the flooding.
Babies were not born innocent untill jesus sacrificed himself for our sins. (Or so i'm led to believe)

Your main argument about Noah is quite flawed though i'm afraid, which is what Worf is trying to say to you.

 

[R-Tillery]

Well like I say in my last post, you either believe in the bible and what it say’s or your not a true christen. You can’t just pick and choose what you want to believe in the book and you can’t get your morals from it either. You may read something you want to share with some one and be all Godley and say like (a man may not lay with another man) then read disobedient children should be stoned to death, and as far as dinosaurs being on the arc hers a link http://www.drdino.com/index.jsp By the way incase if none of you got it yet I’m an Atheist there for don’t believe in any one this stuff. But last of not least, Baby killing,, Hate to be the one to explain it to you but the bible has Many of many of stories how god kill’s baby’s. Moses army killed Man woman and child, not that they have repented their sins and they’re for reborn as you put it. With out going into it all,, Dude read the bible first front to back don’t skip any thing and you will see what I’m talking about.

 

[PsychoMoggieBagpuss]

Ummm, how about No. Linking to an evangelical nutjob site in order to support your opposing views is a rubbish tactic. If you've read through this thread (from your posts I'm guessing you haven't) you will see that we grew past that type of petty debate round about page 2. Sure enough you get an occasional idiot who tries to drag it back, but eventually we get back to a sane, intelligent discussion.

Different types of Christian follow take believe in some or all of the different gospels. Some faiths disregard the new testament.
If you read the bible back to front and take it word for word you're probably what should be classified as schizophrenic. There are a LOT of contradicitions in there (especially old vs new).
Also the new testament is a collection of writings of Jesus's followers. Not the writings of Jesus himself. Therefore they are coloured by the writers thoughts/views. Some parts came a long time after Jesus had been crucified.
Also a thing to bear in mind, telling people that they are a not a true Christian because they don't confirm to a set ideal in YOUR mind will first of all make you extremely unpopular around here, secondly it is also the height of arrogance and ill-manners.
Check your pm's as well (in reference to your earlier comments).

 

[R-Tillery]

Ummm, how about No. Linking to an evangelical nutjob site in order to support your opposing views is a rubbish tactic. If you've read through this thread (from your posts I'm guessing you haven't) you will see that we grew past that type of petty debate round about page 2. Sure enough you get an occasional idiot who tries to drag it back, but eventually we get back to a sane, intelligent discussion.

Different types of Christian follow take believe in some or all of the different gospels. Some faiths disregard the new testament.
If you read the bible back to front and take it word for word you're probably what should be classified as schizophrenic. There are a LOT of contradicitions in there (especially old vs new).
Also the new testament is a collection of writings of Jesus's followers. Not the writings of Jesus himself. Therefore they are coloured by the writers thoughts/views. Some parts came a long time after Jesus had been crucified.
Also a thing to bear in mind, telling people that they are a not a true Christian because they don't confirm to a set ideal in YOUR mind will first of all make you extremely unpopular around here, secondly it is also the height of arrogance and ill-manners.
Check your pm's as well (in reference to your earlier comments).

I find the words you use to be quite interesting,, the writings of Jesus’
Followers as you put it, know one knows who or what wrote the bible, So I assume your not to familiar with the whole bible as well. But according to the New Testament you have to believe in the whole book, read Reevaluations that’s all I’ll say, and I’m talking the King James version. And a bout me be popular here,,,, wait I’m still laughing at you,,, sorry,, ok ok,, Im fine,, I really don’t post here I just like peoples reactions on things,, If I wanted to make friends on this forum I wouldn’t have posted in this thread do to the nature of the coulomb. People get whacked when it cums to politic and or Religion. This is probably my last post.. But good talking with you all.

 

[O.S.T]

now we discuss a book, which people wrote thousands of years ago?
it's a religious book, the stories aren't meant to be taken as truth, they're meant to be representative for a teaching, a message

religions are about teachings to guide you through life(for example if you have gotten on the wrong way) or to give you a perspective(even for a life after death), they're not about fighting everyone who has the same guide, but written by someone else or to select a pope or an ayatollah who want you to believe that their words are justified by their presents

sure you can argue about the genuineness of the bible, but I can predict that you'll run in circles, until r-tillery gets banned or atleast RO'ed for being such a "cool guy" on the internets

 

[PsychoMoggieBagpuss]

And a bout me be popular here,,,, wait I’m still laughing at you,,, sorry,, ok ok,, Im fine,, I really don’t post here I just like peoples reactions on things,, If I wanted to make friends on this forum I wouldn’t have posted in this thread do to the nature of the coulomb. People get whacked when it cums to politic and or Religion. This is probably my last post..

Correction. It IS your last post in these forums.
We don't like trolls here.

 

[Zarkazm]

Hahahaha, keep it coming, I'm still breathing!


Edit: Awww, too late.

 

[hyrulian]

Heh, oh man, this thread just had to get resurrected.

 

[Sir_Brizz]

Unrelated...but ROFL?! No one knows who or what wrote the bible?? That's a crank. We all know who wrote the bible, a bunch of different prophets who named themselves more often than not.

 

[W0RF]

No PsychoMoggieBagpuss,, it's not windows I like licking just ask MÆST MoM.. and if your not a dude maybe I can show you,, or are you one of Those guys that like to play female character because of their low self-esteem,, adequate enough to play violent video games but no Manley enough to play a male. Cause I cant show you The R-Tillery if your into all of that...

Too bad you got banned before I could pile on. Word to the wise, don't flame the mods.

Worf..I’m not sure if you are for or against evolution but if you go by the bible, you would have to believe what the bible said,, and it says the whole earth, not parts (the whole thing) be cause God actually talked to Noah and god said the whole earth. Think about it.. If an animal could survive in a dry place then why wouldn’t a man. See that just don’t make since and Science not only uncover that there had been a great flood that covered the whole earth but there had indeed been two other floods before it and if your talking about the bones they found in Africa of the so called first humans,, I hate to brake it to you but there are artifacts and stool fossils that predate the African fossils.

That phrase is used in other places in the Bible and it refers to the area where man reigns. When Paul says the whole world came to listen, he wasn't saying tribes came over from the Americas to hear the gospel message in the first century. Even in modern vernacular, we talk about people like Alexander "conquering the world" when he really only conquered maybe half of it when you think about it. And considering (like I already said) that that plain is the place from which humanity finally branched out, that IS the whole earth as far as humanity was concerned at the time of the Flood.

And I don't know what you're talking about, African bones and stool fossils and whatever... which should be your first clue that you're going way off base to argue a point I never made.

Too bad you can't clarify, banz0r monkey.

 

[[IsP]KaRnAgE]

This thread is a VAMPIRE! :O

 

[Sam_The_Man]

Unrelated...but ROFL?! No one knows who or what wrote the bible?? That's a crank. We all know who wrote the bible, a bunch of different prophets who named themselves more often than not.

Do you know everyone who translated it and edited it over the years?

 

[Dark[NSF]]

R-Tillery got banned without even a warning??

I'd expect that for ad spams.

 

[W0RF]

Do you know everyone who translated it and edited it over the years?

This isn't a game of telephone. We have access to scriptures going back 2000 years, many in Greek and Aramaic. Only the KJV was based on the Latin Vulgate, and none of the modern translations (barring NKJV and others that are tied to the same) are based on the King James.

This was already discussed in this thread. It is not dilution through editing. Poor translation into English I will grant you, but of that, the worst offender is the KJV itself. WE HAVE extant copies for comparison, thousands of them.

 

[MÆST]

There's an interesting story in regards to the translation of the Septugint (the Hebrew OT translated into Greek) In it, 70 scribes took the whole OT, went in a dark room, began translating, and when they came out all translations were exactly the same. It's just a story, but in truth, there isn't as much differentiation in manuscripts as some would like people to believe, as well as the fact that the earliest manuscripts are not carbon copies of each other as others like people to believe.

 

[PsychoMoggieBagpuss]

R-Tillery got banned without even a warning??

I'd expect that for ad spams.

Technically he did get a warning. But then stating that his actual gameplan was indeed to hide under a bridge waiting for goats, that he didn't care what people thought of him and that was probably his last post, well that was a very silly thing for him to do.