CPL Snubs UT2004
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I think the 'problem' with adrenaline is twofold ...KDR_11k said:
first there's the cashflow/economy-problem that's also part of CS's money-system and similar concepts (ie : winner gets better and better while the looser can't possibly catch up)
As a result it is possible to keep a near permanent booster (or any other adrenaline-effect) running once you get going ... even I can do this versus bots.
Second there's the problem that it sort of defeats the point of map-control of certain powerups (why control the amplifier or superhealth, when you can effectively 'summon' it out of nowhere after a while ?).
Or perhaps its even easier : at some point a 'pro' called it 'n00bish' as he/she didn't want to change his playstyle to incorporate the new strategies. Since all all the wannabe-pro's think they can be pro by doing everything their 'hero' does they repeat the complaint without even knowing why it is a 'problem'.
/me .. I don't see problems. I see challenges that make it fun to play.
I guess that's why I won't ever be in a clan (again) as I dislike repeating something until it becomes a mere reflex.
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Dr_duck
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10 people 
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ok i know there are lots of gmaes with small online communities... but 10 ?!
.............. what is pain killer anyway, never even heard of it?
?ok i know there are lots of gmaes with small online communities... but 10 ?!
.............. what is pain killer anyway, never even heard of it?
Selerox said:
Dude, you're totally contradicting yourself here. As you pointed out, WCG and CPL both had successful UT2K4 tourneys. Also, how can you say Epic failed at making a game that caters for competitive players and fun players? Last time I checked new players love games like Onslaught, and experienced players can always find a competitive CTF or TDM game.
Last, I can't imagine how someone of your skill level can say UT2K4 isn't competative. IMO, it's the MOST competetive game I have ever played. The skill and knowledge it takes to compete in this game is insane.
Sorry, I just can't stand for anyone ripping on my favorite game in the whole world.
The complete package is there, and with community maps and mutators like UTComp, UT2K4 is damn near flawless.I don't care if you blame Epic for not working hard enough to get UT2K4 into CPL, because it's probably true. Remember, Painkiller got picked because of money. However, please don't rip on the game itself (UT2K4). It makes me sad.
Epic's not exactly a shining star just about now...
My points is that yes, UT2004 made a good showing at the CPL, but UT2004 is a game which took 2 full games to fix. The original UT2003 was a joke, and managed to split the UT community down the middle and loose UT a lot of players. It took TTM, Epic/DE bonus packs and a battery of map LE versions to fix it so it was worth clan play at all. That should never of happened at all. Epic screwed up, and although many of the problems were fixed in UT2004, there are still things that weren't changed and should have been (adren, super weapons, DDOM etc.).
Now due to this, just when high-level UT2004 competition looked to be on an up-swing, the rug's been pulled out from under it. How long to you think the top players are going to stick with clan play if they know there won't be a prime-time competition any time soon? If this works out, the earliest they'll be any UT200x play at the CPL is at least 18 months away, which is probably UT2006 era (if Epic make another money-spinner).
To be perfectly honst, I'd rather Epic started making MP games that are built to last, arther than hack-up money spinners every year. Make it right first time Epic, don't turn the UT community into some kind of test-bed for a lot of novelty crap that screws up the game and that you won't fix, and stop adding more and more garbage to the mix. I want BETTER not MORE.
My points is that yes, UT2004 made a good showing at the CPL, but UT2004 is a game which took 2 full games to fix. The original UT2003 was a joke, and managed to split the UT community down the middle and loose UT a lot of players. It took TTM, Epic/DE bonus packs and a battery of map LE versions to fix it so it was worth clan play at all. That should never of happened at all. Epic screwed up, and although many of the problems were fixed in UT2004, there are still things that weren't changed and should have been (adren, super weapons, DDOM etc.).
Now due to this, just when high-level UT2004 competition looked to be on an up-swing, the rug's been pulled out from under it. How long to you think the top players are going to stick with clan play if they know there won't be a prime-time competition any time soon? If this works out, the earliest they'll be any UT200x play at the CPL is at least 18 months away, which is probably UT2006 era (if Epic make another money-spinner).
To be perfectly honst, I'd rather Epic started making MP games that are built to last, arther than hack-up money spinners every year. Make it right first time Epic, don't turn the UT community into some kind of test-bed for a lot of novelty crap that screws up the game and that you won't fix, and stop adding more and more garbage to the mix. I want BETTER not MORE.
Part of the reason for that, however, is that people wanted a straight port of UT99 and not a sequel. UT2003 was a good game, although with problems. Can you say the problems in that game are worse than the problems in Pain Killer? than CounterStrike? Than practically any other game that gets released?
UT2004 fixed some problems, caused some other ones. It's the same old story, and while most of UT2004 is what should have been the sequel to Unreal Tournament, alot of the elements that made UT2003 enjoyable were trashed or nerfed and should have been left in just as they were. However, Epic was backed into a corner because they needed to engage the old UT audience while holding onto people that enjoyed 2k3, and that's what got us 2k4.
Anyone that says that 2k4 (aside form the Mini, SuperWeaps and Adrens) is NOT a competetive game is absolutely beside themselves. 100% of the rest of the game is perfectly balanced to make the game worthy of competetive play (some would argue for the minigun, but it's too much of a spray and pray gun for my tastes). Some people complain about SG portal camping. Why run through a portal in a ladder match when you KNOW someone would probably do that? It's ridiculous to say that UT2004 isn't meant to be competetive.
I know that things like SW and Adrens are sour, but when you consider the ease of removing them (i agree they should be off by default, at least for CTF, BR) that's not even an issue at all.
UT2004 fixed some problems, caused some other ones. It's the same old story, and while most of UT2004 is what should have been the sequel to Unreal Tournament, alot of the elements that made UT2003 enjoyable were trashed or nerfed and should have been left in just as they were. However, Epic was backed into a corner because they needed to engage the old UT audience while holding onto people that enjoyed 2k3, and that's what got us 2k4.
Anyone that says that 2k4 (aside form the Mini, SuperWeaps and Adrens) is NOT a competetive game is absolutely beside themselves. 100% of the rest of the game is perfectly balanced to make the game worthy of competetive play (some would argue for the minigun, but it's too much of a spray and pray gun for my tastes). Some people complain about SG portal camping. Why run through a portal in a ladder match when you KNOW someone would probably do that? It's ridiculous to say that UT2004 isn't meant to be competetive.
I know that things like SW and Adrens are sour, but when you consider the ease of removing them (i agree they should be off by default, at least for CTF, BR) that's not even an issue at all.
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Selerox said:
If the 2K4 community loses clans that were just playing because of tournaments and the possibility to win money, then no big loss in my opinion.
BlackDragon323
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WOW...
does anybody even play the game for FUN anymore, like me?? It seems like everyone is so obssesed with all this clan and pro crap. I personally don't care what games Fatality, or whoever the fck, plays. They're not the ones influencing my game buying decisions. And I certainly don't give a rat's a$$ as to what things the clans are involved in. They're not the ones telling game designers what new game to make.
Regardless of what anyone says, I think that Ut2k4 is a great game the way it is. Who the hell wants to camp around for 10 mins only to be killed in 2 shots and start all over again?(read: CS) Sure there are better players than others out there who are good at using the adrenilan combos and all that, but not everyone is playing 40 hours a week to be a "pro"(sic). I agree with Spineblaze: I can't stand to hear people complaining about a GOOD game that we love...look at Doom 3's MP!! HA!
As far as the CPL, well it's their (stupid) choice. Maybe they just want to balance out the list of games with something slightly more different. Painkiller isn't such a bad game..single player anyways. I played it online and there must've been 5 or 7 people playing...and it wasn't very much fun. Plus there's no real strategy or hard core skill that you need in it like UT2k4.
Just my opinion.
does anybody even play the game for FUN anymore, like me?? It seems like everyone is so obssesed with all this clan and pro crap. I personally don't care what games Fatality, or whoever the fck, plays. They're not the ones influencing my game buying decisions. And I certainly don't give a rat's a$$ as to what things the clans are involved in. They're not the ones telling game designers what new game to make.
Regardless of what anyone says, I think that Ut2k4 is a great game the way it is. Who the hell wants to camp around for 10 mins only to be killed in 2 shots and start all over again?(read: CS) Sure there are better players than others out there who are good at using the adrenilan combos and all that, but not everyone is playing 40 hours a week to be a "pro"(sic). I agree with Spineblaze: I can't stand to hear people complaining about a GOOD game that we love...look at Doom 3's MP!! HA!
As far as the CPL, well it's their (stupid) choice. Maybe they just want to balance out the list of games with something slightly more different. Painkiller isn't such a bad game..single player anyways. I played it online and there must've been 5 or 7 people playing...and it wasn't very much fun. Plus there's no real strategy or hard core skill that you need in it like UT2k4.
Just my opinion.
BlackDragon323
Free Citizen of the World
spineblaZe said:If the 2K4 community loses clans that were just playing because of tournaments and the possibility to win money, then no big loss in my opinion.
I thoroughly agree.
Like it or not, big clans help the community...
Well, much I thoroughly dislike the attitudes of a vast number of "pro" level clans, big money tournaments bring publicity to UT, which brings in more players. That's why I think it's a problem, it's removing publicity for the game, not catering for the "pros".
spineblaZe said:If the 2K4 community loses clans that were just playing because of tournaments and the possibility to win money, then no big loss in my opinion.
Well, much I thoroughly dislike the attitudes of a vast number of "pro" level clans, big money tournaments bring publicity to UT, which brings in more players. That's why I think it's a problem, it's removing publicity for the game, not catering for the "pros".
Is CPL ****ing insane??? They picked Painkiller. ... . . . PAINKILLER ... over Unreal Tournament 2004?
WHAT
THE
****
are they smoking..??
How could anyone actually make such an insanely stupid choice. This is almost absurd. No... wait. It is.
WHAT
THE
****
are they smoking..??
How could anyone actually make such an insanely stupid choice. This is almost absurd. No... wait. It is.