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AV/Firewall: What do you use/like

Discussion in 'Hardware, Software & Troubleshooting' started by Kyllian, Jun 21, 2009.

  1. Kyllian

    Kyllian if (Driver == Bot.Pawn); bGTFO=True;

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    Been using ZoneAlarm lately and about a month ago it stopped updating

    So I'm just going to scrap it and get something else but I'm curious what you guys use or like



    In before "Use AVG Free!"
    No, do not want
     
  2. Hadmar

    Hadmar Queen Bitch of the Universe

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    Built-in Windows XP SP2 firewall on my gaming machine.
     
  3. ZenPirate

    ZenPirate Living Legend (and moderator)

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    Vista x64 built in firewall
    Avast! Home 4.8 ( soon to be Microsoft Security Essentials)

    Mac OS X built in firewall set to "allow only essential services"
    ClamXAV for on demand scans if I download any...trialware. ;)
     
  4. KillerSkaarj

    KillerSkaarj Art for swans is dope!

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    Definitely Avast! for AV, and for firewall, Windows XP/Vista Firewall.
     
  5. hyrulian

    hyrulian Rainbow Brite

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    None.

    If you're careful (and you're behind NAT (such as a router) like I am), you don't really need one.
     
  6. Phopojijo

    Phopojijo A Loose Screw

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    DING DING DING DING

    -Keep Windows up to date
    -Keep a properly configured router (No DMZ, uPNP off, etc.)
    -Keep a decent Windows Logon password (Vista only... XP you're screwed even with a decent password because the virus doesn't need to guess it to get in to your network... Windows 7 generates a fairly lengthy pseudo-random password instead of your logon password)
    -Don't click on anything stupid or do anything that's obviously bad. "Oh look, this program wants admin access... it's not supposed to install anything... hmmmm"
     
  7. SkaarjMaster

    SkaarjMaster enemy of time

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    Free AntiVir for anti-virus on all machines (XP) except Win98SE (I use Avast but never surf on this one). I have router and use old version of Zone Alarm on all but my newest machine (decided not to use a software firewall on this one). It's probably a good idea to have an anti-virus program anyway no matter what your surf habits.
     
  8. Randori

    Randori New Member

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    Windows XP Pro Firewall, Avast and House Call, Spybot, SuperAntiSpyware, AntiMalware, and Registry Mechanic. Encrypted non-broadcasting Wireless. I've never had an issue where a virus got through that.
     
  9. GreatEmerald

    GreatEmerald Khnumhotep

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    Comodo Internet Security. The only downside of it that I can see is that it sometimes thinks that good programs are viruses, but it's a simple matter of pressing Ignore Permanently.
     
  10. Hadmar

    Hadmar Queen Bitch of the Universe

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    What do you mean by "get in to your network"?
     
  11. Phopojijo

    Phopojijo A Loose Screw

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    In Windows XP -- if a program exploits a remote desktop, file/printer sharing, whatever exploit... it is allowed.

    In Windows Vista -- it is asked for your logon name and password.

    In Windows 7 -- it is asked for a fairly lengthy pseudo-random password.

    ((Or if you wish to legitimately share a file or printer... obviously... since the computer cannot distinguish the difference otherwise it'd be REALLY easy to defend against))
     
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  12. Hadmar

    Hadmar Queen Bitch of the Universe

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    I still don't get what you mean to say. Your seem to say that in Vista and above, a real exploit that e.g. utilizes a buffer overflow, still has to get around some kind of password prompt. And that simply can't be what you mean because it's so totally off it's not even funny.
     
  13. shoptroll

    shoptroll Active Member

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    Windows Firewall and AVG, although I might switch off to Avast once I rebuild my rig. AV is AV when your risk of infection is minimal.
     
  14. Phopojijo

    Phopojijo A Loose Screw

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    No you're wrong from my experience, and this Technet blog, and I believe I heard this first on Security Now with Steve Gibson but I couldn't figure out which episode it was.

    http://blogs.technet.com/srd/archive/2008/10/23/More-detail-about-MS08-067.aspx

    You'd need to disable password protected sharing (or a couple of other things that implicitly disable it... or of course it came from a computer that was already authenticated)

    (See the chart in the blog above the quote)

    Now I could be wrong <shrugs> But I had quite a bit of evidence to support myself. If I am wrong, then sorry -- but yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm right on this one.

    (This is the conficker exploit for RPC btw)
     
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  15. Shadow

    Shadow Has Balls Of Steel

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    I use to use AVG, But now I use Avast and I strongly recommend it over AVG. Light weight and more effective then AVG at catching things.
     
  16. Phopojijo

    Phopojijo A Loose Screw

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    Actually I think I know what Hadmar means now, and he's correct (but wasn't what I was talking about) -- I'll be more concise:

    Of course a data stack overflow bug will not ask for a password prompt.

    If a data stack overflow exploit is used -- it will grant whatever permissions to the exploiter that the exploited code had.

    What a password prompt can do to help you is block access to core Windows services that have REALLY HIGH permissions such as file/print sharing to eliminate that ability to exploit it.

    Once you have the ability TO exploit it, it's game over... no password will help you. But in Vista and up... to get the ability to exploit it, you need the password.

    Which is also why all these remote code exploits are "Important" not "Critical" in Windows Update for Vista.
     
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  17. Hadmar

    Hadmar Queen Bitch of the Universe

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    Phopojijo A Loose Screw

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    Ah -- thought Vista never had a "critical" remote code exploit -- guess I missed one.

    At least it's not an overflow in the password field... again.
     
  19. Kyllian

    Kyllian if (Driver == Bot.Pawn); bGTFO=True;

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    Tried Avast and this is the end result:

    F*** it
    Offered no option to close the program, actively refused to be removed from startup and denied me from ending it's processes or changing it's services

    When I want a program to close, it had better damn well close. If it won't, it's gone
     
  20. Phoenix_Wing

    Phoenix_Wing Official Kantham Stalker

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    Every time i've used a paid AV its sucked. These are the only ones i've ever found useful:
    • Malware Bytes Anti-Malware
    • Spybot S&D
    • Yahoo's Toolbar AV (not fantastic, but gets some un-smart viruses off)

    Or you could do the thing I did and migrate to the wonderful world of Linux
     

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