Anyone good at physics, please clear this mystery

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No difference. Friction with water is higher, but floats are designed to come out of the water like a speed boat does as speed relative to the water builds up. But regardeless of the friction which is higher, the water is still free flowing under and around the floats and the plane does not depend on the water flow to accelerate relatively to the air. If you have a strong current in the opposite direction of the plan, you'll need more power to go against the force of the water, but once you start moving against the water and relative speed builds up, the floats move out of the water and the effect of the frictions becomes less important. At take off speed, whether the water has a strong current or is not moving at all is close to negligable.

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You really have to get the car image out of your mind. On a car if the base on which the wheels are moves in the opposite direction, the car won't move relatively to a fixed reference point. This is because it's the wheels that push the car forward. With an airplane it's the propeller or the jet engines that push air behind the airplane, creating thrust. This thrust pushes the airplane forward.

Technically, you could put wings on a car and accelerate the car (with the wheels) fast enough to take off. But once in the air, there won't be any more accelaration (wheels obviously not touching the ground) and the flying car would slow down and land (or crash, how ever you call it). Actually this wouldn't go well as the with the increasing lift as speed builds up, the pressure on the wheels would be reduced as well as frinction between the wheels and the ground, making them less efficient. With that theoretical flying car, if your car starts to accelerate on a moving runway, as described in the original question, the flying car would never move relative to a fixed reference point and never get any airspeed. No takeoff (and, thank god, no crash).
 
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Olethros said:
Man, you are just an entirely new kind of stupid, aren't you? Let me try it one more time: Because the wheels are free-rolling, the runway has no way of keeping the plane "at a stand still" because there is no horizontal force working through them.

Now make yourself a hat that says "moron" and wear it sitting in a corner for a while. Preferably a long one.

Thank you for giving me grounds to respond. Because of your very ugly words, I have summond a demon to haunt you. The demon I summond is an Evil-Doer Demon who is very powerful and may steal your black soul if he so desires. I told him that you were from Norgay and this seemed to upset him even more, he hates Norgay folks.

So, if you would like to get anything off of your chest, you had better get busy because he is scheduled to arrive in Norgay sometime tomorrow evening. At which time, he will begin shoving large items up your anus, as instructed. If he happens to notice that you are enjoying this kind of torture (which I am afraid you might) he was instructed to remove all of the large items from your butthole. Finally, your fate I have left up to him.

Just a bit of advice.... he likes oral and may spare your life if you perform it on him and do a quality job (which I am afraid you might).
 

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That's it? A bland threat of dubious sexuality and a lame pun on my location? Sheesh, they don't even make internet trolls like they used to!

If you'd at least queered it up a bit with the occasional "fuckbitch" or "cuntass" or even "shitlicking homopussyfucker" and thrown in a cople of "snownigger"s for good measure, then we might be talking, but this... This is just not worth the effort!
 

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Pipe_Dream said:
Thank you for giving me grounds to respond. Because of your very ugly words, I have summond a demon to haunt you. The demon I summond is an Evil-Doer Demon who is very powerful and may steal your black soul if he so desires. I told him that you were from Norgay and this seemed to upset him even more, he hates Norgay folks.
<-- casts Magic Missile on you Evil-Doer Demon, which is weak to any attack and subsequently dies, never to return. I win the game, and you now owe me your soul.










:lol:
 

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As silly as his post may be, it is based on a valid point. Maybe your too young to realize it, but the derogatory nature of your attitude and language aren't being interpited as "cool" but immature, and defensive...as a result it really damages the creditablity of your position in any debate. Instead of comming off like the inteligent and wise person you undoubtedly are, the manner in which you communicate with fellow forumers shows poor character. I don't want you to think i'm trying to demean you or rain on your parade, just help you to realize that presenting yourself as a jerk is sign of weakness not strength, cause who deliberatly acts like without respect? It's not the confident profesional adult, but rather the insecure child in the sandbox trying to impress other kids. Someday you'll come to see this for yourself hopefully, and it'll be the speed in which you find that truth that will be the measure of your person.

When you find that you can respect and honor yourself, you'll find that you can issue it to everyone. Failure to do so will bind and condem you to a lifetime trying to earn it from your peers.
 

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Olethros said:
If you'd at least queered it up a bit with the occasional "fuckbitch" or "cuntass" or even "shitlicking homopussyfucker"

Now that’s too silly for me to respond. Ugly, very ugly.

Furthermore, I'm not really sure what you mean by "cople."

@ Sir_Brizz Your Magic Missile was unable to penetrate my Evil-Doers invisible force field, though, it has made him return for repairs.

@ DEFkon I'm not sure which one of us "insecure children" you were referring to. Either way, your post was very thoughtful and delivered with a passionate tone.
 

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DEFkon said:
As silly as his post may be, it is based on a valid point. Maybe your too young to realize it, but the derogatory nature of your attitude and language aren't being interpited as "cool" but immature, and defensive...as a result it really damages the creditablity of your position in any debate. Instead of comming off like the inteligent and wise person you undoubtedly are, the manner in which you communicate with fellow forumers shows poor character. I don't want you to think i'm trying to demean you or rain on your parade, just help you to realize that presenting yourself as a jerk is sign of weakness not strength, cause who deliberatly acts like without respect? It's not the confident profesional adult, but rather the insecure child in the sandbox trying to impress other kids. Someday you'll come to see this for yourself hopefully, and it'll be the speed in which you find that truth that will be the measure of your person.

When you find that you can respect and honor yourself, you'll find that you can issue it to everyone. Failure to do so will bind and condem you to a lifetime trying to earn it from your peers.
That is a very admirable view on this issue, if you were to take everything written on an internet forum seriously. Which you shouldn't. And least of all posts that contains phrases like "shitlicking homopussyfucker."

And on the other hand, when in a factual debate where the correct answer is unassailably true and the theory behind it has been spelled out several times, someone still persists in opposing it on grounds of willful ignorance then some kind of mild ridicule could be appropriate. If not, how will they ever learn? Maybe Farouk got some unwarranted flak since his questioning of the facts did stem from a very easy mistake to make in spite of a basically correct understanding of the issue, but shit happens. I might come off as a bit arrogant in such situations, and that's probably an occupational hazard from sometimes trying to reason with creationists/ID'ers where one side argues for rational understanding of empirically observed, falsifiable natural processes and the other one, basically, says "God did it. By magic!" To expect even the most mild-mannered forumite to always remain respectful in the face of such unabashed morosity is a bit of a stretch, to say the least.
 

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If I were a "troll," I would post more than .87 times per day. Also, I don't post anywhere else. So, stfu about the "troll" sh!t.


P.S. you're right about everything else.
 

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Ok but back with the plane, let say we change the treadmill to molten marshmallow. Will the plane will be able to take off ?