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2016 Presidential Primaries
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Festering Anus
Cheeto Hans
Yes, my experience is the same as yours.
Just to be clear, I'm not a Christian and and I'm not a Constitutionalist. However, I think the Bill of Rights is essential, and we should be highly skeptical of any attempt to reduce or abolish it. Those articles, to my way of thinking, are absolutely necessary checks on the power of government. They aren't even complete protections against tyranny, they're just a kind of baseline. If we have to start cutting into those basic things, even superficially, we know we've really lost our way.
More importantly than any legal document, though, I think human beings have natural rights, universal and inalienable. If the law of the land is that slavery is right, the law is wrong. If the law of the land is that everyone but gay people can get married, the law is wrong. And if the law of the land is that a human being cannot keep a modern, effective tool on his person for meeting any potential force with force, the law is wrong. If there's any right a person has, it's the right to life, and the right to resist indignities and violence. This is not an academic point that can be deconstructed and reconsidered. I can't deny my need for a gun any more than I can deny my need for food or sex. I feel the way I do because of what I am, not what I think. If you're built different, fine. But this is who I am.
Now, you suggested I'm being unreasonable because nobody is saying we should ban guns. This might be technically true, but it's practically false. Nobody is saying the words "We should ban guns" because that would never work in America. Instead, they propose we continue to "allow guns" but ban all the useful ones, something like the schoolyard bully's game of I'm Not Touching You. You can still "bear arms", so long as there are no detachable magazines and the fixed ones can only hold ten rounds and it can't resemble anything that any serious military user would require and while we're at it let's talk about just banning semi-automatics altogether....
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Festering Anus
Cheeto Hans
Another rally, another 10-15 Trump supporters attacked unprovoked in the streets afterwards. The tolerant and peaceful left doing everything they can to get Trump elected.
Great job!
Great job!
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Bro. 100-200 people don't represent the entire "left". Come on now. I know you know that. It looked like a bunch of juvenile delinquents and gang members. It is California after all (sorry Cali, but you're the birthplace of the Bloods and Crips and countless Hispanic gangs).
Besides, you can't call Mexicans rapists and murderers and expect no retaliation at all. I don't agree with violence in any way, but you reap what you sow.
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Festering Anus
Cheeto Hans
Obviously it isn't everyone but there is a disproportionate amount of violence coming from the anti-trump crowd. The media narrative is that Trump supporters are the violent ones yet there are no riots every time Hilary speaks.
The funny thing is that many of the anti-trump groups are run by paid protestors, or organized by moveon and other Soros backed groups. The protesters wait beyond the police lines looking for individuals they can separate and harass. These attacks are organized and premeditated. In this video a man was struck in the head with a bag of rocks!
I find it mind boggling that the media made such a big deal over the one or two protesters that were attacked inside Trumps rallies, and yet here we have anti-Trump protestors committing violence on an almost daily basis now.
Festering Anus
Cheeto Hans
I'm not really blaming the Bernie supporters.. just the media for presenting a very biased version of what actually happens. I'm not surprised that the dems don't disavow this kind of behaviour because it would be stupid to draw attention to it. It does irk me a bit that Trump gets a week of being forced to comment on the littlest things and the rest aren't even bothered.
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if you're willing to be a Trump supporter in public, you're fair game for public criticism and ridicule.
you support a fascist egomaniac with objectively terrible policies who is also a casual racist. you're surprised that the groups of people he's demonizing are pushing back?
Jews probably should've gotten violent at Hitler rallies when they had the chance...
put a Trump bumper sticker on your car at your own risk. an ugly candidate warrants ugly responses, unfortunately.
ITT: people on the wrong side of history proudly and without shame defend a racist sociopath. tell us more about how "surprised" you are that people are violently opposing a dangerous asshole. it's so terribly cute. if I didn't know any better, I'd assume that all Trump supporters were literally born yesterday. there's nothing new under the sun, children.
bigoted lying douchebags are bigoted lying douchebags.
it's exceedingly simple.
you either have the courage of your convictions or you're a demagogue who would rather see the world burn. Clinton is nobody's first choice but she's lightyears ahead of the Don. I'd love to not have to vote for Clinton but I'm not sticking my head in the sand either.
you support a fascist egomaniac with objectively terrible policies who is also a casual racist. you're surprised that the groups of people he's demonizing are pushing back?
Jews probably should've gotten violent at Hitler rallies when they had the chance...
put a Trump bumper sticker on your car at your own risk. an ugly candidate warrants ugly responses, unfortunately.
ITT: people on the wrong side of history proudly and without shame defend a racist sociopath. tell us more about how "surprised" you are that people are violently opposing a dangerous asshole. it's so terribly cute. if I didn't know any better, I'd assume that all Trump supporters were literally born yesterday. there's nothing new under the sun, children.
bigoted lying douchebags are bigoted lying douchebags.
it's exceedingly simple.
you either have the courage of your convictions or you're a demagogue who would rather see the world burn. Clinton is nobody's first choice but she's lightyears ahead of the Don. I'd love to not have to vote for Clinton but I'm not sticking my head in the sand either.
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Festering Anus
Cheeto Hans
Public criticism and ridicule is fine obviously. Did you miss the fact that a bunch of innocent people were cheap shot KOed and hit with bags of rocks, etc? This includes kids as young as 15 being assaulted. Honest question, are you saying that is justified?
Just because someone doesn't believe in the same things as you doesn't give you the right to assault them and silence them. That is closer to fascism than anything Trump has ever said. You're a complete hypocrite. Keep posting videos of comedians that only interact with the public during autograph signing sessions. Freedom of speech doesn't only apply to you.
Just because someone doesn't believe in the same things as you doesn't give you the right to assault them and silence them. That is closer to fascism than anything Trump has ever said. You're a complete hypocrite. Keep posting videos of comedians that only interact with the public during autograph signing sessions. Freedom of speech doesn't only apply to you.
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Hitler said mean things before he seized total control of Germany. Have you heard of a little known book called 'mein Kampf'? Hitler outlined his genocide way before he was in a position of power 
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Btw. how come no single republican is pissed off with Trump for being a flip-floper?
. Btw. how come no single republican is pissed off with Trump for being a flip-floper?
Flip-flopper? Of course he's a flip-flopper. His speeches are just incoherent rantings about people who insulted him on Twitter. He's not fit to be president; he's a total fucking moron.
Republicans are so angry about the black man and Hillary, they're willing to burn it all to the ground. Fuck qualifications, they want revenge.
Republicans are so angry about the black man and Hillary, they're willing to burn it all to the ground. Fuck qualifications, they want revenge.
This is a very silly comment. George W. Bush-level silly, in fact. Millions of people want to elect Trump, and your best explanation is that they must Hate America™. This is my kind of comedy.
You seem also to be supporting physically assaulting Trump supporters just because he's a bad candidate. It's their just desserts for liking a guy who says words.
This is amazing. What a day to be alive.
And once again we get the typical vacuous response from the far left. No facts or arguments. Just screaming "that's racist", and hoping that people will listen. I also love the little cheap shot there at working class Americans by claiming they're just pissed off that society has passed them by. You know, making fun of the very constituency Democrats claim to be looking out for. Surely if we bully these people with the threat of violence they will fall in line and feel the burn .
But I understand. That's the only argument these people have left after all. We could have a sensible immigration policy. One where we protect our borders, let lots of people in legally, and keep the drugs and criminals out. But apparently that doesn't work for future Democrat demographic plans so...
.But I understand. That's the only argument these people have left after all. We could have a sensible immigration policy. One where we protect our borders, let lots of people in legally, and keep the drugs and criminals out. But apparently that doesn't work for future Democrat demographic plans so...
I actually hope Trump gets elected president. That way, the dumbasses who voted for him get what they asked for. Then, after the apocalypse we can start to rebuild and everyone should know what values and prosperity really mean.
Seeing that Clinton pulled further ahead in the Democrats race, I can hardly see Trump not winning anymore. I mean, Bernie Sanders probably was the most-liked of the three potential candidates throughout the entire pre-elections, while Clinton and Trump are the least-liked candidates of all times. They beat all unfavorable ratings other presidential candidates "achieved" before them.
But then again, the voters in general seem to act against their own interest most of the time. For example (and that's probably an example US Americans won't understand), the Swiss voted against an unconditional base income just yesterday. That base income would have replaced other sources of income for those without a job and would be an additional source of income for those with a job. Then again, it's meant to be only a base income, hardly better than what you already get when you live off welfare. The "unconditionalness" of this income is the part that actually can safe administrative costs. And keep in mind, working people already pay welfare, child benefit, unemployment benefit, etc. via their taxes. They would have paid the unconditional base income instead, not in addition.
I suppose, deep within, most people expect to become rich at some point and gain a disadvantage from ideas like that. The reality is: People are bad at math (and often are even proud of that) and will never ever be negatively affected by "disadvantages" like that. Actually they are much more likely to benefit or be relatively unaffected. The people who understand tend to vote for candidates like Bernie Sanders, the others prefer candidates like Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton who will clearly not work in their voters' favor, but actually do whatever pleases their big financial supporters.
I would like to see some Democratic Socialist ideas implemented in this country, but Bernie Sanders was never the person who ever had an actual chance of pulling that off, and I say that as someone who voted for him.
He is the most liked because he was the least attacked. The Republicans wanted him instead of Clinton because they knew they would just have to call him a communist to destroy him, and Clinton didn't attack him because she didn't want to fracture the Democrats. With all of that working in his favor, he should have done much better. Bernie is losing because he couldn't be bothered to truly campaign in the south or waver from his stump speech. The fact that he couldn't even do as well as Clinton did against Obama in 2008, especially now that anti-establishment sentiment is at all all-time high, is a testament to how incompetently he's been running his campaign.
It's more that the Republicans are agreeing with the openly racist things that an openly racist person is saying, and they'll hope that some people won't notice the fact that his plan is insanely cost prohibitive for how little it would benefit the country.
Looks like it worked.
It's not that simple. It's more that Trump is almost everything that the Republicans have valued since Goldwater's campaign. He's the culmination of the southern strategy. Throw in his wealth and how he says the shit Republican voters know their politicians really want to say and he becomes the Republican ideal.
Their indignity that the country is being run by a black man certainly sped things up, but someone like Trump was always going to show up eventually because the Republicans are completely unwilling to change their core strategy.
He is the most liked because he was the least attacked. The Republicans wanted him instead of Clinton because they knew they would just have to call him a communist to destroy him, and Clinton didn't attack him because she didn't want to fracture the Democrats. With all of that working in his favor, he should have done much better. Bernie is losing because he couldn't be bothered to truly campaign in the south or waver from his stump speech. The fact that he couldn't even do as well as Clinton did against Obama in 2008, especially now that anti-establishment sentiment is at all all-time high, is a testament to how incompetently he's been running his campaign.
It's more that the Republicans are agreeing with the openly racist things that an openly racist person is saying, and they'll hope that some people won't notice the fact that his plan is insanely cost prohibitive for how little it would benefit the country.
Looks like it worked.
It's not that simple. It's more that Trump is almost everything that the Republicans have valued since Goldwater's campaign. He's the culmination of the southern strategy. Throw in his wealth and how he says the shit Republican voters know their politicians really want to say and he becomes the Republican ideal.
Their indignity that the country is being run by a black man certainly sped things up, but someone like Trump was always going to show up eventually because the Republicans are completely unwilling to change their core strategy.
This thread continues to be fun, I guess.
Anyone trying to claim Trump is any worse than Hillary is really getting off on the wrong foot here. Both candidates are pretty much the absolute worst this country has to offer (and that's saying something since most of the candidates who ran this season have been "the worst" IMO).
Frankly, the only difference between them is that Trump doesn't care what people think of what he says as a career "clickbaiter", and Hillary cares too much what people think of what she says as a career politician. Neither one of them is qualified to be President or have any control over anything important in this country.
People are voting for Trump because he successful fatigued them of criticism very early on in the campaign and most of the people that support him are deaf to criticism of him now. That has turned out to be his greatest strategy and is probably the basis of why he's going to win the election. You can't vilify someone where nobody cares about your vilification anymore. Some people are voting for him just because he says whatever he wants to say and people are sick of political correctness. Some because he had a TV persona that they liked. Some because he's not Hillary. This is what happens when the leadership of a country is elected by popularity and marketing and a sound media strategy from the very beginning. These are all things that you guys loved with Obama despite him having no real qualifications either time he ran for President... now you hate it because it's the other guy doing it.
All that being said, I doubt I will vote for Trump and I don't support him. Like I said above, he is a horrible candidate, no better than Hillary. Third party is catching my eye even if it means "throwing away my vote".
Alexander Hamilton classically supported Jefferson for President in 1800 by saying "Mr. Jefferson, though too revolutionary in his notions, is yet a lover of liberty and will be desirous of something like orderly Government – Mr. Burr loves nothing but himself – thinks of nothing but his own aggrandizement – and will be content with nothing short of permanent power". What are we supposed to do when we are faced with two Aaron Burrs and no Thomas Jeffersons?
Anyone trying to claim Trump is any worse than Hillary is really getting off on the wrong foot here. Both candidates are pretty much the absolute worst this country has to offer (and that's saying something since most of the candidates who ran this season have been "the worst" IMO).
Frankly, the only difference between them is that Trump doesn't care what people think of what he says as a career "clickbaiter", and Hillary cares too much what people think of what she says as a career politician. Neither one of them is qualified to be President or have any control over anything important in this country.
People are voting for Trump because he successful fatigued them of criticism very early on in the campaign and most of the people that support him are deaf to criticism of him now. That has turned out to be his greatest strategy and is probably the basis of why he's going to win the election. You can't vilify someone where nobody cares about your vilification anymore. Some people are voting for him just because he says whatever he wants to say and people are sick of political correctness. Some because he had a TV persona that they liked. Some because he's not Hillary. This is what happens when the leadership of a country is elected by popularity and marketing and a sound media strategy from the very beginning. These are all things that you guys loved with Obama despite him having no real qualifications either time he ran for President... now you hate it because it's the other guy doing it.
All that being said, I doubt I will vote for Trump and I don't support him. Like I said above, he is a horrible candidate, no better than Hillary. Third party is catching my eye even if it means "throwing away my vote".
Alexander Hamilton classically supported Jefferson for President in 1800 by saying "Mr. Jefferson, though too revolutionary in his notions, is yet a lover of liberty and will be desirous of something like orderly Government – Mr. Burr loves nothing but himself – thinks of nothing but his own aggrandizement – and will be content with nothing short of permanent power". What are we supposed to do when we are faced with two Aaron Burrs and no Thomas Jeffersons?
I love reading posts from the left making the same statements people on the right made when Obama was elected. And the same statements they made when W was elected the second time.
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