Obama is the presumptive democratic nominee

[Al]

That's a good point ^

 

[hal]

He could say it, but do we want the whole board to be filled with sigs attacking all religions and races?

The signature does target Muslims assuming they are all terrorists. And then that website he linked to with all the quotes from the Qur'an. Its like he is trying to get every board member to hate Islam and Arabs because of the amount of damage a few fanatics have done.

If I put up a sig that said how many gangs and crimes have been committed by black people, would you leave it in my post?

"Iron Archer's sig only refers to the fanatics." The one with Black people would only refer to the poorer ones in gangs. -Do you see my point?

I suppose you could say that singling out Islamic terrorists from all their infidel terrorist buddies is unnecessary. Is it an attack on a religion? I don't know. I guess you'd have to determine the intent of the display of the data.

I'll talk it over with the others.

 

[Jonathan]

Mecca to Medina, back to Mecca again, 'tis how it all started out in its "peaceful" manner!

 

[UY]

look hal.
islam is no religion of terror.

Sure a lot of violence in the name of Islam these days, even internally within Islam.

dont think arabs or whatever who do terror acts are muslims.

Don't think there have been anybody but Arabs, in the name of Allah, involved. Wtf drugs are you on?

 

[Zur]

I think he means true muslims. The Koran doesn't support such acts of violence.

 

[UY]

I think he means true muslims. The Koran doesn't support such acts of violence.

Then if any legit Muslims had any balls, they'd take out those who are abusing their religion and bringing a bad rep upon them. On the contrary, I see very little condemnation of violence in Allah's name.

They all can kiss my ass.

 

[ilkman]

I don't see how IronArcher's sig is attacking Islam. Its merely stating truth. That website is not making stuff up. It quotes stuff from the Koran constantly. It clearly shows that Islam is a religion of intolerance and violence. Go read one for yourself if you don't believe it.

I'm not saying all Islamic believers are violent or intolerant. Read that again before you attack me please.

What I am trying to make clear is that the foundation of Islam, and its texts, namely the Koran, is very violent and intolerant.

Offensive? Apparently. But its still the truth.

My goodness just read that website and its apparent. If Islam is not the violent and destructive religion that is notated on that site then someone please find me anything that documents all the love and peace and tolerance that the Koran shares.

What I find irritating is people who ignore it or try to suppress it as intolerance or by acting offended. If its ones religion, then sure I can understand how one can become offended, but to use that as an excuse to justify or hide whats really there is ridiculous.

Instead of being offended and trying to mask the truth by forcing others to tolerate the violent nature of Islam, maybe those peaceful Islamic believers should work on changing the foundation of their religion and actively trying to denounce and suppress those who perform acts of violence in the name if Islam. Like UY said, I see and hear very little from the Islamic community condemning the violent acts in the name of Allah. Instead I hear more whining and acting offended about other people bringing this truth to light, and moving to the extreme I see, quite often, people cheering when violent acts are performed.

This opens the door to a bigger issue that I'll just mention briefly. I really really dislike when someone brings forth a truthful statement that isn't all that pleasant about a people group and, instead of trying to accept the statement and work to fix it, they act offended and work to try and suppress that person and statement. My God! Just man up, grow a spine, accept the truth, and work to fix it instead of whining.

 

[Sirius]

 

[T2A`]

http://www.muhammadthepig.com/islam-religion-of-peace.jpg

 

[Zur]

Then if any legit Muslims had any balls, they'd take out those who are abusing their religion and bringing a bad rep upon them. On the contrary, I see very little condemnation of violence in Allah's name.

They all can kiss my ass.

Ideally they should, not for our sake but for themselves. Refer to this post for reasons that could explain why this isn't taking place.

http://forums.beyondunreal.com/showpost.php?p=2141754&postcount=168

 

[Exus Tecius]

Sure a lot of violence in the name of Islam these days, even internally within Islam.



Don't think there have been anybody but Arabs, in the name of Allah, involved. Wtf drugs are you on?

Then if any legit Muslims had any balls, they'd take out those who are abusing their religion and bringing a bad rep upon them. On the contrary, I see very little condemnation of violence in Allah's name.

They all can kiss my ass.

wtf?lol.
get those maniacs outta here.roflmao.
that is disgusting.how come that so wicked sick ppl popup here?
take it with humor..let them show their real stupid face.


you know what? i tell it straight to your face:..GTFO BUF with your politics&religous fanatism.
NAO.it stinks to meet ppl like you on our BUF.
hell..wtf?lol!
unbelieveble.

Edit:i must say i am disappointed by some of you guys.this seems to be discrimination to me.
well...what to do? thats is your own problem.
nah...i do what i did all the years here on buf and stay out of such discussions.
i dont wana worry friends i got coz some morons with no selfcontrol gonna attack me verbaly again.
thats no worth.

 

[Molgan]

Bah, terrorism and the war on terrorism has nothing to do with religion. Those who can't see it are raving mad fanatics too then. Get the religion out of here, it shouldn't be mixed together with politics. I know how strong religion is in many cultures but it's scary to see how many Christian fundamentalists there are out there, and they are really getting of on this religious crap. Sorry, I'm not against letting people have their faith no matter if they believe in God, Allah or the tooth fairy, but it's frustrating when people bring it into political discussions. It throws sanity out the window and people can go and do crazy things hiding behind religious pretexts.

 

[gregori]

He could say it, but do we want the whole board to be filled with sigs attacking all religions and races?

The signature does target Muslims assuming they are all terrorists. And then that website he linked to with all the quotes from the Qur'an. Its like he is trying to get every board member to hate Islam and Arabs because of the amount of damage a few fanatics have done.

If I put up a sig that said how many gangs and crimes have been committed by black people, would you leave it in my post?

"Iron Archer's sig only refers to the fanatics." The one with Black people would only refer to the poorer ones in gangs. -Do you see my point?

Thats a damn good point!

Plus if anybody acutally reads the website Iron's sig links to, its not just blaming the extremists. It blames the entire religion, repeatedly. It blames muslims for the crusades and magically equates christianity to democracy etc etc

I really hope that these are just the views of this website, that they don't represent Iron's actual opinions.

 

[The Dopefish]

If I had to guess, the answer to my question, "How did this thread go from one big Barack Obama circle-jerk to debating the ethics of Islam?", the answer probably has something to do with whether the US-led forces should leave Iraq immediately and what would it do to American/Islamic relations.

I've had a problem with the war in Iraq since day 1, and it's pretty obvious at this point that the reasons we were told we were going are not the same as why we are actually there. Not only are we exacerbating issues between us and al Qaeda, we're also creating new issues between us and the Iraqi people, who seem perfectly happy just letting us disappear and sorting things out for themselves. Frankly, my opinion now is that the sooner we leave Iraq the sooner that country's government and stability, fragile as it is, will crumble and things will lead to civil war.

As for those who argue against Islam being a religion that endorses terror...it's a two-sided issue. In fairness, terrorism isn't just an Islamic issue; go ask Timothy McVeigh someday. The problem is that most terrorism we hear about involves Muslims, and that makes sense. If you're willing to believe someone who believes in the same things you do, you're going to follow what they teach. In this case, Osama bin Laden and some other leaders of terrorism endorse or support (through fatwas) violence against Americans and people and groups who support America or who are supported by America. It's a tricky situation, because I don't think we should simply stay within our borders and hide from their threats.

One way or another, our international image has been severely damaged by this war. I think we should put our concentration back on Afghanistan and see if we can't find Osama bin Laden, if he's still alive. Eliminating one of the key voices and symbolic leaders of militant Islam will undoubtedly help to resolve that issue and help peaceful Muslims find a voice that can be louder than the non-peaceful Muslims.

 

[Iron Archer]

Um, but eliminating "symbolic" leaders of militant Islam... does that not rally young Muslims in the Middle East and elsewhere to the cause even more? They see these figures as uber-religious, heroes, saviors, etc. I don't have a problem with Muslims who practice their faith and do not have the intent on turning everyone into fellow Muslims, by force.

The point of the website thereligionofpeace.com is simply pointing out that Islam is inherently violent and intolerant. That's all there is to it. Be offended if you will, but there are plenty of verses to back that up. From what I know, the majority of the violent parts of the Koran were recorded when Muhammad was getting older and I imagine, more disenchanted with humanity in general.

Hell, I thought far right Christians were paranoid before I started looking into what Islam really preaches. I think many who get offended at Islam being outed as being violent and intolerant are those who do not practice it as rigorously as some others, may not buy into the violent text as being literal, only metaphorical, and might have more to lose than to go off and martyr themselves for some silly jihad. I don't see the more common "golden rule" standard that applies to many other religions.

If anything, the website should be a big wakeup call to peaceful Muslims to eradicate the disease of extremism that is slowly spreading through the body of Islam. Be offended by terrorism and if it helps, be offended by the violence and intolerance that is in the verses themselves. If my religion preached hate and intolerance towards others enough to become a worldwide epidemic, I would cease to follow it.

 

[T2A`]

90% of Americans will pay less taxes under Obama.

Socialism sucks!

 

[hal]

90% of Americans will pay less taxes under Obama.

Socialism sucks!

They're both wrong.

 

[R.Flagg]

The way that Helathcare is generally handled is aweful as it give those with plenty of money an unfair advantage. Stupid, fair access Healthcare should be a human right.

And there you have the liberal socialist thoughts on display. Somehow it's "unfair" that some people are more successful in life than others. What a load of crap. If you want better ______ (fill in the blank), than work hard and live smart.

(and of course if you wanna go ahead and voluntarily donate to charity, you can do that too. As for the U.S., the extremely charitable nature of Americans in general is just an astounding testament to what a great country this is, and that isn't limited to domestic charity either.)

Some people work hard, and succeed. Some people don't. Life's a bitch. It's not the governments job to redistribute wealth to the welfare class / victim society we have created. Not only is it immoral and anti-American, but it discourages hard work, and encourages generations of leeches.

Agreed but with the US going against the UN like that ...

The UN is a hopelessly corrupt, criminal organization. The very best thing for America is to kick the bums right the hell out of our country and completely refuse to participate. A new organization is way overdue.

Have you read just recently about how the UN has supposedly illegally and immorally funneled millions to North Korea? I'll admit I've only read one story so far, and I look to learn more. But it's entirely believable to me. And related to that, have you heard about the Global Poverty Act that Mr. Obama supports? The plan to forcibly take even more billions away from hard working Americans, and give it to the UN? Sorry, but as far as that plan goes, he and the UN can kiss my over-taxed ass.

As for the fool crying about the factual sig about Islam, and wanting to have it censored, well, isn't that a nice little comparison to the real world. Muslims sure love to throw a fit .... but it's when they do that's very telling ...

Here we have some idiot making jokes about assassination of an American president (which we all should shun, no matter what your political party), and yet... he says nothing. However, he spots a factual sig that shows ugly facts about his religion, and all the sudden we have 'Muslim Outrage'.

Let's continue, shall we?

Muslim outrage huh. OK ... let's do a little historical review. Just some lowlights:

* Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
* A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
* Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage
* Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
* Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.

Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses. Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims .. no Muslim outrage ... but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a bomb in his turban and all hell breaks loose.

That comes from Neal Boortz. http://boortz.com/nuze/200602/02032006.html

I admit his job is to entertain, and it's not a traditional news site, but is he wrong? We need more plain speakers like him.

And yes, of course all of this relates to the American election. What's unfortunate however, is that so many people have been duped into believing that any American president is directly responsible for all kinds of issues. From Muslim hatred to gas prices, even to little things in their local lives. Fact is, as has been pointed out at least once in this thread, the President couldn't do all the things he has been 'credited' with, even if he wanted to.

If things aren't to your liking, stop falling for the BS, and start looking to your local elected officials, state, senate and congressman. They are ALL much more to 'blame' than any President, be they dems or republicans.

And that only assumes you want to waste your life playing this blame game. I think Mr. Cain makes a pretty good argument against that. http://www.hermancain.com/news/press-opinion-051208.asp

BTW - I've been called a 'dick' for sharing such views in such a way before. And if that's true, I accept it. Because as Trey pointed out, America needs a balance between dicks and pussies.

 

[Airmoran]

Didn't bother reading through the entire slab of text, but...

* Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.

That is horsesh*t and anyone who believes otherwise is a tool.

 

[Exus Tecius]

^ tl;dr
**** you.rofl.
good luck finding fools like you who gonna read this ****.

Edit: i mean our hero redflagg or whatever called.
well...these idiots keep puking out their fanatic fantasies on our buf.lol.
answer them in their own language.keep'em a mirrow to their face ..so they maybe get scared and gtfo.
roflmao.wtf?lol.