XMP conservatism. What´s wrong with you people?

[Gumby]

Agreed Some aspects will never be the same - after all it is a port onto a slightly different engine...

Similarity is good, as is variety and change, but the movement / character attributes, some of the things that have started a lot of bitching/flaming seem to be important in people's eyes.

Movement is what makes XMP differ from UT2004 per say, after all if it is the same then it might as well be another game type as opposed to a mod... Most mods currently our there use the same movement minus the dodge and double jump...

 

[Sir_Brizz]

Agreed Some aspects will never be the same - after all it is a port onto a slightly different engine...

Similarity is good, as is variety and change, but the movement / character attributes, some of the things that have started a lot of bitching/flaming seem to be important in people's eyes.

Movement is what makes XMP differ from UT2004 per say, after all if it is the same then it might as well be another game type as opposed to a mod... Most mods currently our there use the same movement minus the dodge and double jump...

I agree that the STYLE of the game should remain the same, because the style is what made the game. That's not every single little facet of the movement, which everyone keeps whining about and saying that it should be identical. The movement is unique, for sure, but the movement doesn't make XMP XMP, XMP is the gametype, the weapons, the characters and the balance before it's the DETAILS of the movement (because the greater movement style is part of the gameplay).

 

[Gumby]

Yeah but the movement is part of it...

I play 2004 quite a lot, but i don't think UTXMP's movement should even be vaguely similar

As someone once told me "If movement were described in bird terms, XMP would be a Golden Eagle, and UT would be a duck"

I found that funny anyway

Anyhoo what will come, will come, and i for one will be thankful for it As lond as it does so eventually

 

[Sir_Brizz]

Yeah but the movement is part of it...

I play 2004 quite a lot, but i don't think UTXMP's movement should even be vaguely similar

As someone once told me "If movement were described in bird terms, XMP would be a Golden Eagle, and UT would be a duck"

I found that funny anyway

Anyhoo what will come, will come, and i for one will be thankful for it As lond as it does so eventually

I agree that the movement is part of it, but I think it's the greater movement style, and not the little details of the movement, that make it unique.

 

[Gumby]

What do you mean by little details of movement? Confused :S

Do you mean for example Jump height:boost height or something? Or dodge distance/height? I dunno - i'm not testing it

As long as it's more or less the same

 

[Apathy]

The gunner should have a minigun...

 

[.pot.OptimusPrime]

The gunner should have a minigun...

Agreed. Homing missiles are also quite crappy, they should lock when target´s inside the big circle not the tiny crosshair.

 

[Sir_Brizz]

What do you mean by little details of movement? Confused :S

Do you mean for example Jump height:boost height or something? Or dodge distance/height? I dunno - i'm not testing it

As long as it's more or less the same

Most people don't want more or less the same, they want identical.

I'm fine with more or less the same.

 

[FurociousFa]

i think homing missles are a pain right now (thats a good thing) they make up for speed by catching you 30 seconds after all the red bars showing that they are following you have dissappeared. They really are quite dangerous, i've been victimed and victimized many a people with 'em, no joke.

 

[Magwa]

Look at the state Ut2k4 is in at this moment fragmented to hell by mods muts gametypes etc,Now making something for a game is great but variety is not always the spice of life some things are better left like they are like UTXMP.

 

[Tenacity]

Look at the state Ut2k4 is in at this moment fragmented to hell by mods muts gametypes etc,Now making something for a game is great but variety is not always the spice of life some things are better left like they are like UTXMP.

:tup: I so totally agree

I would like to see XMP be consistent and the spice of life being the ability to improve your
skills and team play not new guns or mutators and such.

Well put wierd looking Magwa dude

Ummm sorry if that happens to actually be how you look.
No offense intended.

 

[Lyta]

What I've read in other threads is that they all wanna improve their favourite class or weaken a class they don't play ... hahaha ... so if we ignore this what should be changed?

New classes or weapons is not that easy. It has to be played for a while to get it balanced and see if it's good - so that's something better be done later in a mod.
The same for new vehicles. So I'd like to see an UT:XMP as close as possible to U2:XMP and as soon as possible

I'm open to enhancements and mods released later and I'll have alot of fun testing and playing it. If a mod is really good and accepted of the majority it will become standard. That's better than implementing stuff now.

 

[Gumby]

Most people don't want more or less the same, they want identical.

I'm fine with more or less the same.

Reality defines the fact that it is never going to be exactly the same... It's not just a copy+paste job that these guys are doing

Judge it when it's out, not before!!!!11!

 

[Mantik]

Tenacity: Magwa is a character from Last of the Mohicans, one of the Huron. That avatar is a picture of the actor who portrayed him ;P

Getting back to the subject at hand, it all boils down to personal preference. If something about the game is changed slightly, or tweaked.. someone somewhere will despise it and complain about it. Others might like it. The point is, if you love XMP.. which, you know you do.. you will play it regardless of whatever might not suit your fancy. I'm sure you don't agree with 100% of everything the game is today anyways, so just learn to compromise. Total surrender of one aspect to focus on another appeases nobody but one side of the argument.

 

[Sir_Brizz]

Reality defines the fact that it is never going to be exactly the same... It's not just a copy+paste job that these guys are doing

Judge it when it's out, not before!!!!11!

My sentiments exactly. But there are those here (and they know who they are) that won't be quiet when UTXMP comes out and it doesn't match up "feature" for "feature" to u2XMP.

 

[Magwa]

My sentiments exactly. But there are those here (and they know who they are) that won't be quiet when UTXMP comes out and it doesn't match up "feature" for "feature" to u2XMP.

The planets must be aligned or something because i agree with you on this one... It can not be exactly the same but the true spirit of the game can be very close and that is what i think alot of people are saying....2k3 was a huge diffrerence from Ut99 that many many peeps just quit playing Ut2k3 and kept playing Ut99 same for 2k4 the change was to great from what the original was if XMP goes this route it too will find it'sself in alot of trouble from the original players...i hope it is what we all want regardless i will give it a try,and i am hoping for the best.

 

[Sir_Brizz]

The planets must be aligned or something because i agree with you on this one... It can not be exactly the same but the true spirit of the game can be very close and that is what i think alot of people are saying....2k3 was a huge diffrerence from Ut99 that many many peeps just quit playing Ut2k3 and kept playing Ut99 same for 2k4 the change was to great from what the original was if XMP goes this route it too will find it'sself in alot of trouble from the original players...i hope it is what we all want regardless i will give it a try,and i am hoping for the best.

While I personally wouldn't mind having Skaarj vs. Humans and cooler weapons like Melee weapons, I do agree that this first shot should be close. By that I mean that it should feel and play like XMP did. As for the details, frankly my dear I don't give a damn.

 

[dutch_gecko]

Getting back to the subject at hand, it all boils down to personal preference. If something about the game is changed slightly, or tweaked.. someone somewhere will despise it and complain about it. Others might like it. The point is, if you love XMP.. which, you know you do.. you will play it regardless of whatever might not suit your fancy. I'm sure you don't agree with 100% of everything the game is today anyways, so just learn to compromise. Total surrender of one aspect to focus on another appeases nobody but one side of the argument.

Mantik you really need to come here more often. That pretty much sums up my thoughts on this one, Thanks.

P.S.

As for the details, frankly my dear I don't give a damn.

The original quote is in fact, "Frankly my dear, I don't give a dam." A dam was a coin of Indian currency with very little value. When "Gone With the Wind" was released, the actual word damn would probably have been too offensive for the general public

 

[Magwa]

Mantik you really need to come here more often. That pretty much sums up my thoughts on this one, Thanks.

P.S.

The original quote is in fact, "Frankly my dear, I don't give a dam." A dam was a coin of Indian currency with very little value. When "Gone With the Wind" was released, the actual word damn would probably have been too offensive for the general public

that is correct and it Dam was a measurement of corn to begin with...

 

[Sir_Brizz]

Mantik you really need to come here more often. That pretty much sums up my thoughts on this one, Thanks.

P.S.

The original quote is in fact, "Frankly my dear, I don't give a dam." A dam was a coin of Indian currency with very little value. When "Gone With the Wind" was released, the actual word damn would probably have been too offensive for the general public

So this is the reason why Gone with the Wind is "hailed" as the introduction of foul language into Hollywood? At least according to the three film classes I took.