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I really hope this is just a misunderstanding and that these are the specs they want venders to use when promoting Vista; 3 gig CPU and 1 gig of RAM for an operating system?

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/07/vista_requirements/

In an email sent to vendors at the CES 2006, Microsoft for the first time outlined some system requirements for its upcoming operating system.

The email states that Vista asks for a system with a 3.0 GHz Intel or equivalent AMD processor and 1 GB of memory. We believe that especially ATI officials may have liked the recommendation to firms who are demonstrating Vista at their booths to use a "high end ATI GPU," namely a Radeon 9800, x600, x700, x800 or x850 device. According to Microsoft, ATI is preferred to Nvidia at this time due to superior driver support."

Other requirements included a SATA or 7200 rpm EIDE hard drive. For Vista on notebooks, Microsoft recommended the Acer Ferrari 3400, the Acer Ferrari 4000, the HP Pavillion zd8230, the IBM Thinkpad T43 and the Toshiba Tecra M4."

Superior driver support from ATI? You're kidding; granted they've improved over the years, but they're still subpar (I'm not even a big Nvidia supporter).

Now before people say "Even if they are in fact the minimum requirements, those specs will be more reasonable at the end of the year", I'm wondering how much performance from games and other applications, especially for those who do 3D modelling and rendering or use photo-editing software, we'll get if Vista is that bloated to require that much power. Let's not forget the whole DRM concerns as well.

Oh, for XP Home users, better get XP Pro, because updates will stop at the end of 2006. And there'll be 7 editions of Vista release apparently.
 

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Well, it appears as if I will continue to not give a shit about Windows (along with a lot of other people).

This next release never ceases to make me chuckle. From the DRM services, to the system requirements. I still enjoy the fact that WINFS is still not going to be part of the shipping OS...

You know, their main feature (aside from 'lifting' the OSX GUI).

Ah yes, Windows. 'Vista' even...

I'm sure it will provide a few laughs here and there.

Thanks for the update.
 

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If the 1GB mark is true (doesn't surprise me really) their gonna screw over their "Starter Edition" which has "Amount of RAM supported on 32-bit systems: 256 MB" or someones may a huge oversight.
Yeah windows is retarded, but still the only option.
 

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I seriously doubt those specs. For starters, a PS3.0-capable video card is only a requirement if you want to use the new GUI - it will still ship with an XP-like compatible one for those without.

What does worry me is the plan for all home editions to only support one CPU. Have they clarified their position on dual-core CPUs anywhere?
 

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Latest news that I've heard is that XP-support won't stop yet as the info on the official site simply was 'outdated' and hadn't been updated with the latest info on the releasedate for Vista (...). There's supposed to be at least one more 'servicepack' and that pretty much makes sure XP-support will be extended for 12 months after its release.

And as for Vista ... the less said the better. I'm sure it's requirements will be in line with all the previous OS-releases. ie : whatever is an 'average' system at release will be the practical minimum for most users.

I'll stick with Win2k until hell freezes over or Linux becomes a realistic alternative ...
 

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How can windows require a high end GPU, 3.0GHz processor and 1gb of ram? Are the icons going to be 10,000 poly bumpmapped pixel-shaded beauties? That's just insane.

What are the selling points of Vista over XP? I don't know the nuts and bolts of XP, but it seems to be pretty bloody good for my liking.
 

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How can windows require a high end GPU, 3.0GHz processor and 1gb of ram? Are the icons going to be 10,000 poly bumpmapped pixel-shaded beauties? That's just insane.
The new 'glass look' / 'aero' interface is DirectX-powered ... and it's Windows for *beeps* sake. Of course it's going to require a ton of power just to show a simple "Hello World!"-window.

What are the selling points of Vista over XP? I don't know the nuts and bolts of XP, but it seems to be pretty bloody good for my liking.
I wouldn't even know what the 'selling points' of XP are.
Vista appears to be "more of the same / pretty graphics ... and o yeah ... we *eh* need your first born too ..."

Ok a bit over the top, but I haven't seen anything that makes me go 'wow ... that is good'. All I've seen is a bunch of pretty graphics that Apple has been showing for ages and Linux desktops can do too. AFAIK there's even a 3D glass-look desktop for Linux as well.
 

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Not to mention, features that have been in OSX for what? Three years now?

Really, Vista (what a name) is just going to be a major cosmetic update with a few 'borrowed' concepts they lift from OSX and Linux. Any crucial feature dealing with the stability and effeciency of the OS has been removed due to their pressured release date, and their inability to function as a software company.

As it stands, they are more interested in visual effects for Windows. They're developing some 3D shit - and they're trying their damnedest to make the thing work flawlessly with the Xbox 360, to expand upon their 'digital hub' strategy. Other than that, I wouldn't expect anything great. Not until the actual OS is released in the form of patches, probably in 2009.

MicroSoft is really far behind in terms of everything when it comes to their OS. It's almost as if they aren't even trying.

They claim that 'Vista' is a complete re-write. A fresh OS, completely secure and blah, blah. But everyone knows that's bullshit. MicroSoft will always re-use their terrible legacy code and continue to build their OS by simply piling on - leaving all kinds of security holes open.

I read somewhere (the Wallstreet Journal, I believe), that the way they have been developing their OS (for twenty years) is - instead of a tightly knit core group of programmers working together on various 'projects' - they have multiple people working on different and utterly random sections of the code. At the end their dev cycles, they 'patch' the uploaded code together, and hope it works.

Apparently, one of the 'high-ups' at MicroSoft admitted that perhaps - this might be why 'Longhorn' has been delayed for however many years now.

Who would've though, having your programmers working together would be beneficial? Not this guy...

Everything I've heard about this OS has been negative. People reviewing it say it's slow and it's only offering cosmetic updates, the same as XP for the most part, etc. And although I can't say for sure until I actually use it - my bet is that it won't be all that thrilling.
 

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https://lg3d.dev.java.net/ and http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/index.xml was the Linux-desktop I was referring to.

MicroSoft is really far behind in terms of everything when it comes to their OS. It's almost as if they aren't even trying.
Why would they even need to try ?
They have the effective monopoly for all pc-based OS's.
Apple is expensive and practically dead. Linux is useless for new users that (think they) want the latest software and technology.
Nope, Microsoft not inventing anything really new isn't a suprise at all. The only suprise is that the average consumer hasn't smelled the bovine excrement they're packaging in this new release.

Not only are they making sure that their new OS works 'flawlessly' with the 360. They're also making sure that only owners of the MCE-version can use the media-capabilities of the 360 ... (Windowsmedia connect can't stream video if it connects to the 360, but it can with other UPnP-compliant devices)

They also can't eliminate legacy code and interfaces because it would effectively kill their backwards compatibility and give users even less reasons to 'upgrade'. Altough I think they really should do such a thing and be done with it. They've barely managed to kill DOS in XP ...
 
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Windows sucks, but cmon, Apple should make their stuff not so extreme expensive (while that changes lately) and allow all games working on this system and I'll kick Windows in da butt out of da window.

Seriously Mac rocks far more, but it NEVER was an option for me because of the games. I own computers because of games and internet and some typing. Mac out Win in, the sad truth.
 

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JaFO said:
Apple is expensive and practically dead.

Yeah, constantly gaining market share, controlling the pro audio side of things - rulers of the portable music player industry and sole supplier of downloadable media - not to mention - soaring stock value...

'Dead' indeed.
 

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Yeah, constantly gaining market share,
controlling the pro audio side of things
So ?
They may rule the moon for all I care. It still means nothing if the average user / company expects people to own a Microsoft-owned pc (preferably running XP).

- rulers of the portable music player industry
there's still plenty of alternate mp3-players (that aren't so damned expensive)
even mobile phones play mp3
how many alternatives can play Apple's aac ? ... I'm guessing the answer is : none.

and sole supplier of downloadable media - not to mention - soaring stock value...
'Dead' indeed.
eDonkey and practically any other p2p-program pretty much prove that Apple isn't the "sole supplier of downloadable media"

So far the only people that consider a Mac to be "practical" are those that are (1) new to pc's and (2) have no friends whatsoever. You really need to be a dedicated fanboy if you want to survive with a Mac (never mind that you'd need to be pretty damn wealthy to own one).
 
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But seriously that does kick, kicksn't... ermm doesn't it?

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Actually a vista style theme can be done now.
The trick is to make a grid effect with black and transparant frames, lik in the attached picture.

But the skin that I found is buggy and incomplete and I didn't test the Style XP version yet.

If somebody knows a good one, plz tell.
 

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so the whole revolution is the transparent ****?
they should focus on bugs and speed.

this is now obvious that microsoft makes programs so that people need to buy the latests CPU/ RAM to run them fine. And after this they sell you computers with windows preinstalled in exchange.

machiavel.
 

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Well, I hate to do this. But you've left me with no choice...

I must:

Go Off-Topic in an Off-Topic thread!

JaFO said:
eDonkey and practically any other p2p-program pretty much prove that Apple isn't the "sole supplier of downloadable media"

You know, I figured it would've been self-explanitory. For a second, I guess I forgot where I was posting...

Look, fuckstick, obviously there are questionable (i.e. 'illegal') means of obtaining various forms of media. However, should one choose to pay for their downloadable content - one would find it difficult to disagree that Apple is the most successful and most practical choice (especially when it comes to DRM). Not to mention the fact that they offer the most variety found in one place. Again, I'm saying 'legally', of course.

JaFO said:
So far the only people that consider a Mac to be "practical" are those that are (1) new to pc's and (2) have no friends whatsoever. You really need to be a dedicated fanboy if you want to survive with a Mac (never mind that you'd need to be pretty damn wealthy to own one).

Yes, and those 'n00bs' at Peter Jackson's company, 'WETA' and 'Pixar', etc. I agree. Those guys totally suck ass. They must be new to PCs.

Wow, you and Paul Thurrott must be good pals. He compares the price points of top-end Apple hardware to low-end Gateway PCs and complains that Apple hardware costs too much. He complains that Apple doesn't have 'integrated video', which lowers the cost of computers. Yes, because we all love 'integrated video'. What a guy.

I'm neither new to PCs, nor short on friends. I'm not a fanboy either. I've been using Windows just as long as I've used MacOS. So I suppose that rules out your theory.

I would argue that the 'new-to-PCs' market goes for companies such as 'HP' or 'eMachines'. Most of those people go to Best Buy and pick up a bare-bones with XP Home, take it home, fuck it up, get a virus and go back to Best Buy to pay the Geek Squad $500 to 'fix' their computer (run Norton). Those computers are built to break. That's the whole idea.

Apple's computers are essential to any performing audio professional. They have better latency for MIDI syncing. Apple also owns 'eMagic', the makers of 'Logic' - a great alternative to 'Pro Tools' - which many musicians have stopped using. Mostly because, 'Pro Tools' requires an expensive, dedicated rig (and isn't as efficient as 'Logic' when it comes to MIDI).

The next time you go to a concert, where there are electronic instruments being used - let me know if the band is using a Gateway computer or a Powerbook.

Not to mention the pro-video market. Apple created the industry standard 'firewire', which is present on all digital video cameras. They also make some great high-end video production software. For example, 'Shake' - the compositing software used in practically every Hollywood film or major television commercial with special effects.

In both fields, the only competitor Apple has is Avid. Avid owns digidesign - which in turn - creates 'ProTools', for both platforms. Ironically, the Apple programs (eMagic's 'Logic', etc.) are a much more affordable choice - regardless of exclusivity.

Your argument is the standard 'I-don't-understand-or-use-so-me-not-worry-about-fact' complaint. You suggested that Apple is 'practically dead' and I proved you wrong. Their stock value is worth more than that of Dell Computer, the largest PC manufacturer in the world. Again, I'd hardly call them 'dead' (which is the whole point of this argument).

Regardless of how you feel about the iPod or the format of the songs from iTunes - the strategy was extremely effective, and no other company has been as successful. iTunes holds an 83% market share, has the best pricing strategy (Apple says that consumers will simply go back to illegally downloading if they raise the price above $.99), a simple interface and the best consumer rights out of all the services. And say what you will - at least you're not renting songs. Again, hardly a failure. As for the format playing only on iPods. Well, obviously. Apple makes their money off of the hardware. The song sales make money for the RIAA. Apple supplies the bandwidth. Whether you use the iTMS or not, you should be thanking Apple for having the market share and balls they do to stand up to the RIAA. On various occasions, major labels have threatened to pull their music unless Apple allows them to jack the prices of songs on iTunes. Apple has always told them to fuck themselves, and as a result, you have the $.99 price point instead of the $2.00+ price point. And cheer up, 'DVDJon' of 'DeCSS' fame is on the case...

For the record, I don't use the iTMS - although I have, simply to test it out. And I must say, aside from the 'FairPlay' DRM and the proprietary format, it is quite a nice experience.

Besides that, they've added television shows, which have been selling well. People expect them to start distributing films in the near future. Once that happens, expect that 83% market share to rise again.

Like them or not, you're avoiding the facts and throwing your personal bias into the mix to accomplish, well, nothing. In most rational places, you are the fanboy.

Regardless of which OS you prefer, you have to admit that Apple offers some pretty incredible creative tools for free with their OS. At least give them that much credit.

Unless you're really into 'Windows Movie Maker'...

Also, I am posting this from my PC, running XP Pro. I also don't need a skin to help myself pretend that I'm not using Windows. Old-fashioned 'classic' grey wasteland. Fancy that.


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