Why is nobody talking about Romney's Mormonism anymore?
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I don't know about supernatural crap, but pretty sure this qualifies as crazy (and that forum is full of plenty of other insane mumbo jumbo proving that atheists are, in fact, not immune from insanity).
You took the statement out of context.
I do know that there are irrational Atheists out there, as there are many other irrational groups of people. It's not 'supernatural' kooky conspiracy stuff. In archurrrr's original post he said "atheists believe in all sorts of kooky supernatural stuff". Supernatural would be stuff out of spook stories and things that are supposedly not of this world. Not that I have any belief in the supernatural.
Rational thought is much more important than irrational thought, regardless of belief.
People still think Hitler was an Atheist because of mass media muddling. He was in fact a Lutheran and believed secularism to be an evil. I've read the English version of Mein Kampf, and in no way was he an Atheist. There are people out there that are extreme in their belief systems, regardless of whether they believe in Krishna, Allah, Jehovah, Yahweh, Odin, or even no god, if they are intolerant of one another, then they are incompatible with humanity.
I don't think I took it out of context, I just assumed by "supernatural" he meant "things that are inexplicable based on nothing more than supposition or hypothesis containing no factual basis". I mean, there are surely atheists that believe aliens exist and/or that they have visited Earth. Likewise, I am positive there are atheists who believe in ghosts. To me, that is basically "supernatural".
I honestly agree with this statement which is why I find the entire basis of this thread utterly ridiculous. Others have already pointed out that a person being religious (or, frankly, not) is not indicative of their ability to use good judgement or be a good leader, which I think is right on.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that atheists are immune from insanity any more than people who understand mathematics are. The stated beliefs which identify Mormons, however, are irrational. Therefore the people espousing these ideas are lacking rational ability.
Anyhow, this thread was never intended to be a religious debate; read the OP if you like. The religion in question was proved a long time ago to be incorrect, and I was attempting to proceed from that basis. All of this attempted justification for religion is irrelevant and a bit remedial.
But if you want to pretend that the silliness I quoted in the OP is worthy of serious consideration, be my guest. I will only laugh at you from this point forward though. I can't do anything more effective because it is not a serious academic topic. If you can't see how incredibly stupid it is from a cursory glance paired with a basic education, you are not really trying.
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Here we go again. Athiests having to provide proof. How about the other way round this time.
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This is a bunch of psuedo intellectual BS though. Religion is simple faith. They believe in something that cannot be proved or disproved because there is something within them that tells them that it is right. It is simple faith.
Just because someone has faith in something that you don't believe in, however, does not mean that their logic in the real world is in any way affected. You think that you are presenting an airtight, logical argument, but you're simply begging the question. There are scads of very intelligent, rational effective people who believe in various religions, from world leaders to scientists, who demonstrate on a daily basis the ability to be rational in all of their affairs.
Like it or not, faith is simply outside the purview of proof or rationale: which isn't to say that those who believe in it are inherently irrational, but rather that believing or disbelieving in no way demonstrates an ability (or lack of ability) to act in a logical, rational way outside of issues of faith. My earlier comment about race still applies: believing that because someone is mentally inferior because of their religious faith is as accurate and logically sound as believing that someone is mentally inferior because of the color of their skin--there is no link
If you are saying something is false, then you must prove it. If religious nuts want to get in a tiff about how their god is demonstrably the best god, they have to prove it (they can't). If atheist freaks want to get in a tiff about how there is definitely no god, they have to prove it (they can't).
Perhaps the most logical, rational post I've read on these forums in a long time. My hat off to you, sir.
No matter what you believe, or choose not to believe, it is an act of faith, and does not dictate rationalization.
This issue isn't that I don't "believe in" it, which is meaningless, the issue is that it is wrong. Are you telling me that a person can open a gap in their intellect wide enough to admit of the bible's inerrant truth (that is, magic invisible flying space fairies who created the universe, define objective morality, have done impossible things for which there is negative historical evidence, and continue to effect "miracles" -- sometimes but not always and never in a lab) but not wide enough to allow for any other mistakes? This is nonsense.
You're right that I don't like this. Fortunately I don't have to accept it either. I can't think of any reason I would. Any reasonably intelligent person who says wrong things for no better reason than their feelings is a liar. I don't trust them and you shouldn't either.
There's a blurry line between playing devil's advocate and trolling. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.
Of course there is no "link" -- religion is mentally inferior behavior.
Not only is this coming at the problem the wrong way, it's actually pretty easy to prove that any specific god who is supposed to have done anything for which we have a working understanding either a) is conspicuously unnecessary or b) demonstrably did not do those things.
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You're throwing a lot of stones here. Time to poke some holes.
Nowhere in the Bible does it mention anything about space fairies, flying, invisible, or otherwise. The Bible does not endorse or cause any present-day "miracles".
Lying is making intentional statements that are false. By your own incorrect definition you are a liar.
Religion is not a behavior, but a set of beliefs.
For someone who makes ignorant statements, you think you'd be a little less quick to condemn things you don't understand.
I get it that, as an atheist, religious people make you uncomfortable, but it doesn't automatically make you mentally superior. Perhaps you're trolling. Congratulations. If not, then you're just coming off like an asshole.
Nowhere in the Bible does it mention anything about space fairies, flying, invisible, or otherwise. The Bible does not endorse or cause any present-day "miracles".
Lying is making intentional statements that are false. By your own incorrect definition you are a liar.
Religion is not a behavior, but a set of beliefs.
For someone who makes ignorant statements, you think you'd be a little less quick to condemn things you don't understand.
I get it that, as an atheist, religious people make you uncomfortable, but it doesn't automatically make you mentally superior. Perhaps you're trolling. Congratulations. If not, then you're just coming off like an asshole.
Interesting article here:
http://www.npr.org/2012/04/17/150795727/are-obama-and-romney-the-same-guy?ft=1&f=1014&sc=tw
Also: I may be Agnostic, but I don't condone outright bashing of other people. I've gotten past that (I think).
http://www.npr.org/2012/04/17/150795727/are-obama-and-romney-the-same-guy?ft=1&f=1014&sc=tw
Also: I may be Agnostic, but I don't condone outright bashing of other people. I've gotten past that (I think).
hal, I'll just toss this your way in case you genuinely missed my meaning.
"And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man." John 1:51 (KJV)
The rest appears to be semantic nitpicking and isn't worth addressing, I think.
"And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man." John 1:51 (KJV)
The rest appears to be semantic nitpicking and isn't worth addressing, I think.
Wow, what an utterly asinine statement!
World history is full of great men, brilliant minds, and tremendous leaders from all faiths and religions. By your statement, you are saying that you are mentally superior to all of them?
You, sir, must be something very very special, and I am honored to be able to converse with someone of such mental superiority!