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UnrealSP.Org 10th Anniversary Speedmapping Contest

Discussion in 'Unreal' started by Integration, Apr 16, 2011.

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  1. AlCapowned

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    UBerserker, you were expecting way too much from this contest. Why would a contest that didn't allow custom content be as good as one that did? As for the scores, the other judges have their opinions and you have yours. You haven't always agreed with other people on what maps are good, this shouldn't be surprising.

    Edit:You may have removed your post, but you're still acting like a dick.
     
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  2. UBerserker

    UBerserker old EPIC GAMES

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    Triamid can very well go face to face with Qtit's Dragonfly.
    I didn't follow any development of the entries this time.

    PS: my post is gone so I don't care anymore.
     
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  3. Leo(T.C.K.)

    Leo(T.C.K.) Well-Known Member

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    Let's say that this whole ordeal made me rethink my priorities. I have full right for my behavior here, I have even received infraction by that post, 9 points, go figure.

    The people who persuated me to join back and involve with UnrealSP.org made a mistake, or to take a part in this stupid contest. It was a bad mistake and most of them are just elitist hypocrites.

    EDIT: Anyone who has a common sense, will see the truth in my post and what it means, I mean look:

    http://www.unrealsp.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2052&start=15

    Lots of hypocrycy there by the staff. It's also ridiculous how they now say, see I told you, he will outburst like that..

    BS. Who wouldn't outburst really? I've been punched in the balls.
     
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  4. Leo(T.C.K.)

    Leo(T.C.K.) Well-Known Member

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    I am sorry to anyone who I have disapointed by posting this, but you have to look at it from a bigger point of view. This sure wasn't worth it. I am more relaxed now as I have slept few hours since.

    But for those who don't belive me, play all the entries, you will find out mine is one of the most polished and finished ones among the contest and two maps didn't even go by the rules by not including exit, but I did want them to be in, I even fixed TIK's entry.

    But really, maps consisting of mostly single room or short area is what this was about and my map had more than that seriously. It wasn't grounbreaking in ideas, it had problems and I rushed the ending, but what the hell.
     
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  5. Leo(T.C.K.)

    Leo(T.C.K.) Well-Known Member

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    http://www.unrealsp.org/community/features/speedmap10/speedmap10-03.html

    Seriously, third place? I mean I don't want to be trolling but it's just a single hallway, the screenshot covers everything in the map. Both Jet's and Shivaxi's scores are ridiculous and biased as hell, ten out of ten, seriously. No wonder it scored such high place then. It is just friends go altogether thing. Seriously, staying out of it..
     
  6. TheIronKnuckle

    TheIronKnuckle What the hell is this "ballin" thing?

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    This wasn't a formal review schema. it's an impression based score. it seems like i impressed jet and shiv a lot. I'd be a bit worried if everyone gave me 10 because it'd feel pretty false, but the 2's and 3's it got helped to keep things in perspective.

    Besides, it's third place, not first :p no one can dispute that Turbo's map is the winner
     
  7. Leo(T.C.K.)

    Leo(T.C.K.) Well-Known Member

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    I agree with the second and first place though, but seriously I didn't expect to get a seventh place really. Jet wasn't supposed to be judge at first I believe though, he took the place because someone flew off it. But still bias played a lot of role here. I beleive people should ply the maps and decide on their own, however like with the last contest people only played the winner maps and ignored the rest, I talked to several people about it, yes they really did that, but I think they all deserve to be played and judged by the individual.
     
  8. Leo(T.C.K.)

    Leo(T.C.K.) Well-Known Member

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    I joined the contest also beacsue I was told that it is gonna be oriented around more oldschool type maps, with usage of stock Unreal content. I think my map has met these requirements, although Turboman's map stand out of that scheme. But looking at the reviews and all it seems that people expected every map to be rather high poly like Turboman's map.

    I created something oldschool in mind in first place, because I thought this is what it is about, however I didn't expect the sudden changes and stuff in the "management" and the somewhat manipulated votes.

    It is all a socio pathological phenomenon if you think about it. I had my right to vent my thoughts like that though. But really, people are influenced more than they think, if you now look at the public votes it is clear people go not with individualism at all, for example I said I hoped my map would be at least fifth place and now it has votes exactly for that. That doesn't mean you should retract your vote if you really believe it is the case, but it appears to me by far and this all has proven it that people go by the majority/community views and influences still, creating this socio pathological phenomenon in the end.

    And if I say that the management of most of UnrealSP crew is just a bunch of bullies, people are going to overreact on that and tell me how I am wrong and all that, or outright attack me or say it is slander. But look at what they are doing, they're doing the same thing they accused me of.

    EDIT: In the last contest all of the 6 hours maps or something similar to that, had gotten lowest places, as it should be imo, this time it was all a mixed mess with my map getting the worst out of it given the time i worked on it and my effort went all wasted. It is time to wake up really. Judge it by yourself, this contest just turned out a disaster. I wouldn't have gotten even in third place no matter what happened, due to the bias. I can guarantee you that. It's really sad that Hellscrag didn't overview this one, would turn much better.
     
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  9. pcube

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    I feel like I should throw my opinion in the ring.

    I won't name names, but I do personally feel that Leo's map exhibited more thought process and gameplay than a few of the other submissions. I feel that the non-visual details were overlooked, including the backstory, intro "cutscene", support for multiple difficulty levels and overall uniqueness.

    In terms of length, it was longer than several other submissions. In terms of story, it had a more intriguing plot than other submissions. I hate to say it, but I feel that his map was judged almost entirely on the basis of visuals. I don't feel that his efforts deserved 7th place, but I will say that I thought that most of the submissions were pretty close in terms of quality... so the line between 7th, 6th, 5th, and even 4th is pretty thin.

    That being said -- you shouldn't have any regrets over the contest. You made a nice map and it has an interesting concept behind it -- better than a lot of the crap I've made! :)
     
  10. Mister_Prophet

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    I can appreciate your feelings on this matter, but this is where you lose me and pretty much any reasonable minded person who frequents the USP forums. You're making a serious indictment about the people who manage a website...based on what exactly? Here's the reality of the situation. We had a little mapping thing. Like others have said and as I've told you privately, the whole judging process was very, very informal. An after thought, if you will. People only had a couple of lines to say about each submission and only two "staffers" were included, and only one of them has actually written enough reviews for the site to be considered a regular reviewer (though the schema obviously wasn't followed here, but you can see in his submission that his emphasis was on gameplay). As I said, this was an opportunity to make maps for the community first and foremost. The competition factor was simply there as a fringe motivation. You should be happy that you completed a map for it. That was the point.

    I do think some discussion about how the whole judging process went down can be discussed though, and as for your bullies...well, it would seem you aren't the only person who questions the way the actual verdicts went unmanaged by the site staff at large and left to the users selected. As a way to balance this, users can vote on their favorite maps on the forum. I don't know if this is enough to your liking, and frankly I don't think it matters. This was supposed to be a fun thing, and it was. There's no need for conspiracy theories. Those of us who encouraged you to make a submission are pleased that you did and are happy to have your map in the lineup!
     
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  11. Leo(T.C.K.)

    Leo(T.C.K.) Well-Known Member

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    Well, I am not making any conspiracy theory here, I am simply stating the way things are. As for staff, I know for sure that majority of them don't like me. The votes were biased mostly because of Jet's and Shivaxi's votes which went off, I actually found sana's reviews pretty decent to say the least!
    And not only that but I know for sure they were biased, they wanted my map to fail from the beginning.
    And same count for every reasonably minded persons who read what was said about me, some of it was untrue or not the whole truth, but they like to demonize me around. Doesn't sound far fetched, it's right there in that very thread dude.
    I expected the contest to be more professional in first place, as I said already.

    Pardon me for blowing up yesterday, but I had too much at that point and everybody who I talked to can understand that. As for the bully mention, it was something from the past, but when I said it out loud everyone said that I am stating slander and that they could report me etc. But they now do the same thing they accused me of. Get what I mean?

    It wasn't a mistake that I made a map, but it was a mistake that I held any hopes for it or the Unrealsp.org, that is what. I am not blaming all of the userbase there, either.
     
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  12. Leo(T.C.K.)

    Leo(T.C.K.) Well-Known Member

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    I never meant to blame everyone as a part of UnrealSP community, I am sorry that some people have took it that way. I want to apologize to the unbiased judges too, becaue it wasn't directed at them, it was mostly directed against Shivaxi, Sana and Jet, for most part and then at some like mman and frieza who seems to demonize me and slander me and few others.

    So, I did not meant to offend you Prophet, or anyone else that I didn't directly mention and of course the people that helped me get the point across and support me at the contest or help me even convince sana to get my map in, but after all I feel that it was a wasted effort sincerely.

    Yes I dismissed the entire community because I thought it's gonna fall for it all anyway and beacsue it technically belongs to those people. But still, I didn't mean to target the people who supported me so don't get me wrong.
     
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  13. Mister_Prophet

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    Don't worry about me dude. You just gotta remember that on the internet people pretty much regard each other for what they say and how they act. Lots of people wanted you in on this, and most everyone who frequents USP wants...after all is said and done...as many SP maps to play as they can get their hands on. So, your entry will be appreciated and your contribution noted.
     
  14. Mman

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    Please tell me where I have "slandered" you at any time recently on UnrealSP; in the thread about your ban all I have done is point out your past transgressions and my opinion that you shouldn't be unbanned any time soon based on those and other things (and linked this thread). "Slander" specifically refers to making things up about someone, and is serious claim to make. I have done no such thing (outside of one allegation I removed when I realised it was actually someone else),

    If not wanting you unbanned counts as "demonizing" you then I guess that holds true.
     
  15. KaL976

    KaL976 *nubcake*

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    Mapping.

    Srz Bznz ;)
     
  16. Leo(T.C.K.)

    Leo(T.C.K.) Well-Known Member

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    You said it in demonising way, besides I don't know what was it you posted there originally. But you said left there that I spammed links to porn and other sites and stuff, that is not fully true, only partially. I've heard someone said it was trojan stuff, I am not aware of that and I never posted any links to trojans. What happened was back in 2008 then I got sick of some acussations and because someone said that I violated everything except for posting porn, someone who I was in contact over IRC thought that I should do it, he provided all the links and also used the acount a bit IIRC. I agreed with it, but I was easily influenced and on experimental medication and the person took full responsibility, if you have the original posts still somewhere you see his nick in front of the links.
    It was a childish thing to do and I apologized many times for it, but it was meant as final goodbye (besides that wasn't the first time I was banned, that was the second time, the first time was just for some flamewar or something that I didn't find justified) and I told Hellscrag that I don't want to ever come back, that is what happened, I wanted to earn the perma ban that way. Is it any clearer now? Now, your post really sounds like demonising when it was put out that way and I know you personally don't like me anyway.

    Oh and also you said I got banned recently at oldunreal, or left some degrading comment saying that the more reason i shouldnt be unbanned. Seriously?
    That is another story on itself and that wasn't recently at all (was last year in summer) and I've got a proof of conspiracy being put out at me of one of the admins (pitbull), who have annonymously harassed me and attempted to blackmail me and started making things up, like that I attempted to hack him or sent him some emails which he never had proof for, just because I didn't agree with him banning other person, etc.. that guy is a snake and a creep, hell he published a lot of private information about others elsewhere.
     
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  17. TheIronKnuckle

    TheIronKnuckle What the hell is this "ballin" thing?

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    out of interest, where's your proof? Can't know something for sure until you've got good proof
     
  18. sana

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    You throw around words like "demonizing" and "degrading" and yet you never seem to realize WHY people assume a negative opinion of you. It's not a world-wide conspiracy to shun you and to remove you from as many communities as possible, it's a simple result of the way you act toward people in public and the dozens of times you've stepped out of line across Unreal sites. This massive shitstorm of a thread is only the latest in a long history of pointless tirades, conspiracy theories, accusations and outright insults you generate over mundane matters like custom maps in a 13-year-old game, and it should not surprise anybody that it becomes tiring.

    Please finally stop accusing everyone around you of treating you unfairly when it's nothing more than rational reactions to the way you behave. You may disagree with the scores given to your map in the contest, but you must know that the score I have given to Isle of Sharighar was very diplomatic on my part, and would I have judged it with my sincere opinion on the build quality, length and gameplay, the map would have fared worse. I graded you higher especially to avoid the overblown reaction that I - for whatever reason - get to read here. It's personal opinions, Leo, and I strongly believe that I have judged your map fairly and hence cannot understand your unspeakable rage. Badmouthing other people's work because you believe yours to be better is atrocious manners the likes of which do not help your case in the slightest.

    I shouldn't even be reacting to this thread because I know it's futile to discuss all of this, but I decided not to sit around while you drag UnrealSP through the mud with outrageous accusations. You show the most impudent sense of entitlement; it's as if you think that the world revolves purely around making your life miserable and so you must defend yourself by flaming everyone who writes anything remotely negative about you. That isn't how it works, the world has a lot of other things to care about, and you seriously need to improve your self-esteem and broaden your horizons considering how hard a contest score has impacted your life and health.

    Also, if you think that your voluntary decisions to create a map for the contest, convert existing entries and to provide hosting space are reason enough for an entire community to feel forever indebted to you, you're simply seeing the wrong picture, and if you really want to sever ties with UnrealSP as much as you keep stressing every second post, I will gladly remove all references to these services that you've performed of your own will. You shouldn't feel any regret about this.

    Consider perspectives other than your own, and you may come to the conclusion that you aren't the poor lonesome lamb that is being attacked from all sides, but rather that you carry a whole lot of responsibility for your situation yourself. And please stop creating controversial topics involving your personal problems with UnrealSP on other sites...
     
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  19. Leo(T.C.K.)

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    tldr and you're an idiot for spurting that political nonsense BS here.

    I didn't badmouth other people work, go to hell, I had enough of you seriously, the way you banned me without warning and ignored me even though I was totally polite towards you nad making up BS like you had to lock every thread with me in it, but I sent you message proving that wasn't true anyway, so what. Be careful what you utter seriously, because this is fucking slander.
     
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  20. AlCapowned

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    There was nothing political in sana's post. Besides, you expect people to read your posts (which are just as long); the least you could do is read through his.
     
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