TRUE DEMOCRACY IS BAAAD

[Waxx]

If America was a true democracy (which it isn't, it's a republic), it would be awful. What would make it so awful, is that, say white supremicists got power in the senate (secretly, duh). They would be able to take a vote to take away the rights of negroes. Since they had power, they would win the vote. The republic protects us from that.

Colonel Sanders' reply to, "why did the chicken cross the road". "I missed one?"

 

[Waxx]

crap

I meant this to go in the Rage Against the Machine post, not as a different topic. thrpppt!

Colonel Sanders' reply to, "why did the chicken cross the road". "I missed one?"

 

[Bad.Mojo]

A TRUE democracy is a voice and a vote of all people, meaning everybody votes on everything. To take the power away from black people, you'd need to have the black people vote on that. And I highly doubt alot of whites, hispanics, asians would vote on that either.

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[Zundfolge]

I don't know, Blacks make up 13-15% of the population in the US. So theoretically if the US was a pure democracy, then the rights of blacks could be voted away.

But then again this assumes there is no constitution (or other form of high law)that prohibits the removal of basic rights.

The bigest problem with a pure democracy is it eventualy becomes government by whim. The nice thing about a representative republic is that things tend to move slowly (which can sometimes be a pain, but fast and radical change is generaly harder on the people. And easier to corrupt)

"People hate me because I am a multifaceted, talented, wealthy, internationally famous genius. "
Jerry Lewis

 

[Keiichi]

Democracy, like every other form of government, is far from perfect. The problem with everyone having an equal say in how to run a country is that not everyone KNOWS how to run a country. Some hillbilly out in Wankerville, TX is equal to a polititian in New York City. Chances are that hillbilly has no comprehension of international relations. I think most of us will agree that the majority of people are something less than Einsteins. Since they're the majority, they decide what we do and what we don't. Because of this, a democracy is only as smart as it's stupidest citizens. Of course, the only alternative is to place the smartest person in charge (otherwise known as a dictatorship), but that raises a completely different set of problems.

-Keiichi

 

[Ak]

Better red than dead..

Actually, I still maintain that Communism is the ideal form of government...Except for the fact that IT'LL NEVER, EVER WORK. People are simply to stupid, selfish and fukked up for it to be otherwise. So far the only sucessful examples I've found are robots and communal insects...So until the entire human race devolves into mindless drones, GOOOOO CAPITALISM!! (Or republicanism, or whatever.)
Ak
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"We're a peace loving people...And we'll KILL anyone who tries to take that peace away!"

 

[Bad.Mojo]

you know, all the problems with communism are present in democracy -- we simply relable greed as "free enterprise", and all that as such. I guess some people would rather be lied to than live a real life.

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[Zundfolge]

All forms of government are flawed because they are human designs, and humans are fundimentaly flawed creatures.

The thing is to find the least flawed idea, and ride it until someone comes along and fucks it all up /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Jerry Lewis

 

[DeadeyeDan[ToA]]

"Blacks make up 13-15% of the population in the US. So theoretically if the US was a pure democracy, then the rights of blacks could be voted away."

Yea, and since ostritches stick their heads in the sand, theoretically they could be getting high by snorting up dirt particles.

If society in the US was that bad I'd do the world a favor and blow us all up. I see lots of people every day that do not fit the "braindead media-influenced American" category, and I am not lost in hope for a society that can make wise decisions for itself. I think there are at least a few explanations for things that make us look more stupid than we are... like one leading independant presidential candidate (that happens to be similar to a republican) takes enough votes from the leading republican candidate, allowing the leading democrat to win with less than 50% of the popular vote... democrat America really never wanted wins, has oral sex with overweight intern, bla bla bla.

Then there's also the fact that there's no "none of the above" choice on ballots, and we're stuck in this 2 party system that we can't escape, because of fear that the greater of the 2 evils might win while we're wasting our vote trying to get a democrat/republican elector to vote independant. So instead of thinking about making decisions that affect them, people think of voting as having to choose the lesser of 2 evils, knowing that their vote might just be ignored by their state's electors anyway- therefore, people both smart and dumb, rarely put the necessary research or thought into politics that they should if they're planning on voting.

Anyway, I think we should actually give the American people some *real* responsibility *before* we call them all irrisponsible morons who can't lead themselves.

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[Bad.Mojo]

Zund said it best. Plain and simply. He's dead right. All forms of government are the products of the people that make the government. Unless you get truly pious, pure people in office (and I don't mean religious-wise) there will always be corruption and greed.

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[I_ABuGa]

refering to AK

the ultimate government would be one where the big G.O.D were in power or J.C and his boys. You'd have a communist government with no body bothering to mess up coz you never mess the above mentioned entities. Communism is more prone to corruption and is stronger in some ways compared to the capitalist government. G.O.D and J.C can never be corrupted or is exempted from this label.

The idea is that growing countries should have initially the feudal style, become imperialist move on to nationalist and then capitalist government styles. You'll never have communism get anywhere until the people were really ready for it - people who are "mature" to the point of being inhuman and who are untemptable by any form of corruption.

Its early in the morning, so I'm writing crap. Anybody more in the know pls feel free to criticise, I'd like to hear opinions /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[MP*Beretta]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>the ultimate government would be one where the big G.O.D were in power or J.C and his boys. You'd have a communist government with no body bothering to mess up coz you never mess the above mentioned entities.[/quote]

And how exactly is this the ultimate? You're describing a fascist dictatorship. Ask yourself this question: what happens the first time you disagree with the deity in question? You won't? Well, someone will. Then what happens to them?

In my not very humble opinion, people are just dying to hand over responsibility for their actions to a `higher power', and that pisses me off. You have two real choices - self moderate or be a slave.

MP*Beretta

 

[Alpha_9]

The ultimate government

If humans were perfect, and always behaved according to the Golden Rule, and were universally guided by selflessness rather than seflishness, there would be no need for a government. There would be no need for the only thing that necessitates government authority: protection of society from foreign & demostic malice. The economy would naturally take on the form of perfect communism: to each according to their need; from each according to their ability. And it would work perfectly in the absence of selfishness and amorality.

So I believe the ideal, ultimate government is no government at all. Needless to say, unhappily, that wouldn't work in today's world. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

So three cheers for the next-best thing: Capitalism!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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John Donne

 

[I_ABuGa]

yes mp*beretta

you almost got it. It is the ultimate government because you ARE, practically, a slave. Would you accuse GOD for corruption? Could you even think about the very idea he could be bad? Would you even think of disagreeing? HOW? HOW are you going to disagree with him?

Fascist? Who the heck do you think god is? Would you even think you could take him to court with that label?

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In my not very humble opinion, people are just dying to hand over responsibility for their actions to a `higher power', and that pisses me off. You have two real choices - self moderate or be a slave.
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Just to clear it up, I dont hand over responsibility for my actions to a higher power, its lame. And I share the sentiment with you, MP*beretta, it really pisses me off. It pisses me off even more because I live in a Muslim country where, unfortunately, some of my less brain using "friends" think that Jihad is a valid course of action - validated by god. I see this almost everyday unfortunately. /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I was discussing the context of government. But Alpha_9's got the real monty, if utopia existed, there would be no government because there would be little need for it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[Bad.Mojo]

NO! YOU ARE ALL WRONG! OUR GOVERNMENTS MUST BE EXTREME! NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO LIVE IF THEY ARE TRAITORS! THE ARMY MUST GOOSESTEP AT A PACE NO MORE THAN 120 STEPS PER MINUTE! IF THEY FALL OUT OF LINE... THEY MUST BE SHOT AND KILLED IMMEDIATELY, WITH EACH AND EVERY MEMBER OF THE PLATOON EMPTYING A FULL CLIP INTO HIS BODY! ALL OPPOSITION MUST BE CRUSHED!

And while we're at it, lets bomb pharmaceuti-- i mean, chemical weapons factories (they do make medicine from chemicals that could kill people if taken improperly -- that's a chemical weapon, right?) in the middle east so that people focus on a non-existant terrorist threat overseas instead of a real terrorist threat at home -- perpetrated by the government. Remember, only the Americans were revolutionaries. Everybody else fighting for the freedom of their people are terrorists.

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[Christopher Webb]

So far, practically all governments have pretended to be really nice, peace-loving democracies on the outside, but are all evil and depraved facists on the inside.

Therefore, I propose a government which pretends to be an evil blood thirsty dictatorship on the outside, but is in fact a good government on the inside. Think about it; instead of motivating citizens to earn as much as possible, you motivate the people by making them think they have to keep secretly fighting the government.

Hmmm, I REALLY need to catch up on sleep... /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[Bad.Mojo]

Either that or the heroin withdrawl is really getting to you.

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[MP*Beretta]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Could you even think about the very idea he could be bad? Would you even think of disagreeing?[/quote]

My logic is this: If I believed in a God (which I don't), and that God existed in a tangible manner (such as to form a government), then according to religious myth everything that happened would be God's will. Right?

Right. So, imagine - you see a family member or close friend hit by a car and die from massive hemorrhaging. Nasty.

In this situation, you have a tangible entity to blame for this `accident', and even better, it's not an accident - it's God's will! Perhaps an amazingly pious person will go with this deal, albeit in grief, but just what percentage of the population would wish to revolt upon witnessing such an event?

Which brings me back to my first question, what happens to the revolutionaries? Are they `cast out'? I think I'd find myself in `hell' in a heartbeat, and I'd have lots of company.

Just thinking aloud.

MP*Beretta

 

[Snakeye]

Jesus Fuckin Christ..

For being true I don't give a shit about politics. Any government is good to me; if they let me live I will adept myself, if not, I guess I won't have any more earthly problems.

Every Democracy, Republic, Democracy or Dictatorship is the same. Just take a look at WWII.
-Germany(aka 3. Reich), Dictatorship, corrupt, commited war crimes.
-Japan, Monarchy(or sth like that), corrupt, commited war crimes.
-Britain, mix of everything, corrupt, commited war crimes.
-US, same as above, just other government type.
(and if you don't know what a war crime is: bombing citizens because of weird air superiority theries is one..)

Snakeye /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[MP*Beretta]

The concept of war crimes is ridiculous. It's not a team game, it's survival of the fittest.