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Special Limitations of terrain?

Discussion in 'Level Editing - Advanced' started by Chrysaor, Nov 6, 2001.

  1. Chrysaor

    Chrysaor Lord of the Pants

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    Is there any reason why my terrain area in my new map should have even lower poly/node counts then the rest of the map? Most of the map stays around 150, but the outside area drops to 120 average, can I increase this without performance problems?

    (hey no performance problem jokes either :p)
     
  2. Shin

    Shin Ethical Illusionz

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    LMAO...drat you got me there :p ...

    Sure you can increase it but you have make sure it stays below 200 minumum, the higher the polycount the more yikes your PC wil say!! :p . I think 300 is the max you shouldnt cross that line ;) .
     
  3. Chrysaor

    Chrysaor Lord of the Pants

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    WEll, i should be fine then. Now to make sure it looks nice...

    Hey what about plants? Do all those meshes slow it down if i've got like say, 20 plants in view?
     
  4. Twrecks

    Twrecks Spectacularly Lucky

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    Big time.
    Any extra sprites will slow you down, even pickups.
    Try to keep them to a minimum. Problem is the rendering engine has to calculate those extra sprites even at long distances.
    If you aren't sure, type "STAT FPS" in the console and see how it hits your performance. In Unreal1 they tried for a max count of 6 in view (more can be in a common zone I haven't tested the limits)
    "TIMEDEMO 1" ("timedemo 0" turns it off) gives you your FPS so you can get a base idea of what slows you down by adding and removing stuff.
    BTW, typing stat fps again will turn off the fps display at the bottom of the screen.
    Another useful tool is "STAT OCCLUSION". Keep your unseen raytraced polys below 15% (occlusion rate) and you should be fine, lower than 10% and there seems to be no significant CPU hit.
     
  5. Hourences

    Hourences New Member

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    stat mesh could be usefull too
    in my new map i got a small jungle room with 30 plants, and that still seem to run kinda fine, the fps drop but not that much, ive heard you should stay under 4000 meshpolys for sure, and 50000 is the max ut can make i thought, or at least at that moment your pc will prolyl stop doing what it suppose to do :p
     
  6. Twrecks

    Twrecks Spectacularly Lucky

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    :tup:
     
  7. Hourences

    Hourences New Member

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    1 minute after me, youre fast :D
     
  8. Varpu

    Varpu Novice Nali City Reviewer

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    Usually it is not the poly-count that makes terrains hard to do. I have found the BSP stuff more challenging as terrains tend to have a lot of oddly slanted surfaces. These in turn generate a lot of BSP cuts which in turn are calling for more problems.

    The BSP errors are not easy to avoid but fortunately there are some things You can do:

    Take a look at Your terrain with the BSP cut view; if You see any triangles that have very different colour than their surrounding, You could try to eliminate them by moving one of their vertices. Remember the 16 wu grid. Rebuild geometry after each "correction" to see how it affects the cuts. It is a good idea to have the objects grouped (The big G-tool) to shorten compilation time by eliminiting other stuff. Note that You NEVER get completely rid of the BSP stuff but You can make it as smooth as possible.

    Make the terrain from smaller units; a large 32 x 32 drid will have BSP holes whilst making a 4 x 4 grid brush is hard to embed one.
     
  9. Chrysaor

    Chrysaor Lord of the Pants

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    Ya, i've got this one poly that acts like a fakebackdrop on itself, then when i align it to floor or something it's all weird colors and stuff, i haven't figured that one out yet.
    I only knew about stat fps, i'll have to give those others a try. :-D

    I never find out all this techical stuff, all i gots to do is ask the right ppl i guess :D
     
  10. Shin

    Shin Ethical Illusionz

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    STat mesh????????? I didnt know that existed.....

    Are there any other stats that might be usefull??
    the only ones i know is stat net, fps and now mesh ;)
     
  11. Hourences

    Hourences New Member

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    STAT ACTOR
    STAT CACHE
    STAT CLIP
    STAT FILTER
    STAT FPS
    STAT GAME
    STAT GLOBAL
    STAT HARDWARE
    STAT ILLUM
    STAT LIGHT
    STAT MESH
    STAT POLYC
    STAT POLYV
    STAT REJECT
    STAT OCCLUSION
    STAT SOFT
    STAT SPAN
    STAT ZONE

    note that some of them dont really seem to work :D
     
  12. Shin

    Shin Ethical Illusionz

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    w00t talk about a lot of stats :p

    Thnx alot Hourenc! ;)
     
  13. Chrysaor

    Chrysaor Lord of the Pants

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    Yowserz!
     
  14. Astyanax

    Astyanax GotoState('Coding');

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    Remember CTF-cowsCowsCOWS, that map that was intended to be bad and a framerate killer? I found out that, with an average polycount of 30, you could have about 80 cows running around through the grasslands without too much slowdown. However don't try playing with 300 cows, that REALLY SUCKS!

    BTW, can u imagine what pain it was to edit a map with 300 cows in it? Let's see, in top view you could see the wireframes of 300 cows, plus there were 2 creaturefactories (one at each side of the ditch that seperated the grasslands) with each 16 spawnpoints, so from each cow there were logical connections going to 16 spawnpoints and 1 creaturefactory; that makes 5100 red lines! DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME!
     
  15. StoneViper

    StoneViper you can call me Mike

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    L O L!:lol:
     
  16. Lord Dill

    Lord Dill New Member

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    lol @ Astyanax and the cows.... i can only imagine :D
     
  17. Hourences

    Hourences New Member

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    http://users.pandora.be/Hourences/CTF-IMGHEY.zip

    try my 1337 map wich rocks :D

    also notice

    -if your pc chrashes you do not know me
    -you never heard of me
    -you cannot sue me
    -i wont pay the repaircosts for your pc
    -also do not use longer then 10 sec :D

    and as for real, the map is basicly a very ghey cube with discolights and a crategenerator in the middle, with other words, the map will create new crates until your pc chrashes, wich will prolly somewhere by 50000 crate polys, and by that time you got a few 1000 crates in view :)
    each second 1 crate multiplies himself in 8 new crates, the next second you have 8*8=64, and so on .... this map WILL chrash:D
     
  18. MrFawn

    MrFawn New Member

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    go for real *flat* terrain!!! I think 10 polys will do it :)
     
  19. Chrysaor

    Chrysaor Lord of the Pants

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    Hey is it cool to make the tess. cubes i've got on my terrain brush semisolids?
     

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