"Rock" Vs. "Suck"

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SimplyCosmic

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Rock vs Suck

Scene: The near future. A reincarnated Plato and Aristotle face off in the winner-takes-all philosophical rematch of the century. A crowd of pseudo-intellectuals surround these great thinkers as they perform complicated mental warm-ups. Finally a gong is sounded and the men move face to face, two of the most influential Western minds within inches of each other.

A sign suddenly illuminates in neon brilliance the word 'Pluralism' in giant ten-foot letters. Aristotle casually gestures for Plato to go first. Plato bows and starts to speak.

"It sucks."

Silence. Plato looks slightly disturbed, whilst Aristotle sneers and replies,

"It rocks."

"It sucks."

"It rocks."

Aristotle is looking down at his traitorous mouth with mounting horror. Plato sets his face in one of complete concentration and speaks slowly.

"It," a bead of sweat meanders down the great man's forehead, "sucks."

The two philosophers look at each other, then at the sign, then back at the crowd and finally back to each other. There's a moment of complete silence. Then Plato slices open his wrists with Occam's razor and Aristotle wanders off for a vodka and Coke (with a twist of hemlock, natch).

But anyway.

My friends, the 70s' most esteemed music critic was Nick Kent, an overtly narcissistic yet unbelievably fine writer. The 90s' most famous music critics are Beavis and Butthead. Who are not. Something's clearly wrong in the state of Denmark. Or something.

So we come to 'to Suck' and 'to Rock,' the two verbs which stand across youth's intellectual culture like a pair of particularly demented guard dogs.

Suck dribbles hatred down upon the earth, for 'to suck' is the worst thing in the world. 'To suck' is to be a damned thing, cast into a void of loathing where there shall be a great gnashing of teeth.

But 'to rock,' my friends! 'To rock' is the finest thing imaginable! To rock is as good as if a horde of ancient goddesses descended upon your form and performed delicate (yet vigorous) fellatio upon your now divine penis. (Improvise your own metaphor if you're of the xx persuasion: I'm having far to much fun with this one.) To rock is very good indeed, and to suck is not nice at all.

And what's wrong with that?

Well, virtually everything, you dribbling buffoon. Why do you think I'm wasting my time typing all this out, eh? You think I've got such a sad and empty life that I just type junk for the fun of it. You calling my pint a puff, like? Outside now, mother****er. OUTSIDE!

Anyway, for a start it's extremely rare that these two phrases are a start. They're usually a completion. They're like getting to a bus-stop, and deciding that you're where you actually want to be. Once 'suck' or 'rock' pass your earthen lips far too many people believe there's no further need for elaboration. They think that they've said all there is to say, which is clearly a bit off. There is no life beyond 'suck' or 'rock.' They are an eternal terminal. You've missed the last train and you're stuck at a mental rail-station miles away from your hot cocoa. And you don't really want that, after all.

The second biggie is the meta-meaning behind the words. 'To suck' does not mean 'It is not good.' It means 'I think this is not good, therefore will ridicule it mercilessly and refuse to open my mind for a second to its possible virtues.' Of course people actually forget this, so sink into cheerful partisan zealotry. Which is equally questionable.

The third problem is its generality and Aristotelian dichotomy: A or not A. It's arguable whether we can actually apply these concepts to science, but to the arts?

(Interestingly one of Aristotle's original example of an A or not A statement was "The sky is blue." Obviously Ari had never seen a sunset. Obviously our mate Ari was a dribbling buffoon, but I feel that's an argument for another time.)

According to the MTV Suck/Rock rules all of the following fall into the same Rock category: Henry Rollins. Nirvana. Pearl Jam. Soundgarden. Stone Temple Pilots. Bush. And clearly there's a huge difference in quality between these beat combos. Anyone who places Nirvana in the same box as Bush has obviously had the CIA sneak into their bedroom late at night, chloroform them and cut out their (Good) Taste buds.

But to say X sucks more than Y would be against the rules, and we wouldn't really want to show any disobedience, eh? It sucks. It rules. No compromise.

So what does all that create then? (Apart for a market where people want to buy Offspring records.) A generation who according to their flimsiest, most random whim, arbitrarily classify things into two widely foggy mental boxes and feel no need to investigate those ideas further than the initial emotional response. We have created and cheerfully participate in a system that propagates two-party politics. We have a system which moulds bigots out of minds. We have a system that creates an Intellectual prison which makes 1984 look like being sent upstairs by your mum for half an hour, and If I didn't think conspiracies were so silly I would suggest that this whole mentality was created by the government to pacify and channel any of youth's rebellious emotions into shallow strutting and monochromic morality.

If all thought is based on sex, then our generation's is not a furiously engorged nob. It's a limp, flaccid, useless, infinitely Impotent dick at best, and a castrated mutilation at worst.

And that truly sucks.
 

_Zd_3s_

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Nah, it's not a particular thing for modern times. It's just a part of growing up. Every adolescent has a very strong desire to associate with a group. Stating that "Rap sucks and Linkin Park rules" is equivalent to stating that "the Beatles are hot and the Stones are not".

Still doesn't make it right, but it's a passing phase for most kids, don't worry. :)
 

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Multisyllabic words sound so geeky....and I for one do not want a wedgie from the jocks




Approbation.

[Nouns] approbation; approval, approvement; sanction, advocacy; nod of approbation; esteem, estimation, good opinion, golden opinions, admiration; love [more]; appreciation, regard, account, popularity, credit; repute [more]; best seller.

commendation, praise; laud, laudation; good word; meed of praise, tribute of praise; encomium; eulogy, eulogium; eloge, panegyric; homage, hero worship; benediction, blessing, benison.

applause, plaudit, clap; clapping, clapping of hands; acclaim, acclamation; cheer; paean, hosannah; shout of applause, peal of applause, chorus of applause, chorus of praise; Prytaneum.

[Verbs] approve; approbate, think good, think much of, think well of, think highly of; esteem, value, prize; set great store by, set great store on.

do justice to, appreciate; honor, hold in esteem, look up to, admire; like [more]; be in favor of, wish Godspeed; hail, hail with satisfaction.

stand up for, stick up for; uphold, hold up, countenance, sanction; slap on the back, pat on the back; keep in countenance, endorse; give credit, recommend; mark with a white mark, mark with a stone.

commend, belaud, praise, laud, compliment; pay a tribute, bepraise; clap the hands; applaud, cheer, acclamate, encore; panegyrize, eulogize, cry up, proner, puff; extol, extol to the skies; magnify, glorify, exalt, swell, make much of; flatter [more]; bless, give a blessing to; have a good word for, say a good word for; speak well of, speak highly of, speak in high terms of; sing the praises of, sound the praises of, chant the praises of; resound the praises of; sing praises to; cheer to the echo, applaud to the echo, applaud to the very echo, cheer to the very echo.

redound to the honor, redount to the praise, redound to the credit of; do credit to; deserve praise; recommend itself; pass muster.

be praised; receive honorable mention; be in favor with, be in high favor with; ring with the praises of, win golden opinions, gain credit, find favor with, stand well in the opinion of; laudari a laudato viro.

[Adjectives] approving; in favor of; lost in admiration.

commendatory, complimentary, benedictory, laudatory, panegyrical, eulogistic, encomiastic, lavish of praise, uncritical.

approved, praised; uncensured, unimpeached; popular, in good odor; in high esteem (respected) [more]; in favor, in high favor.

deserving of praise, worthy of praise; praisworthy, commendable, of estimation; good [more]; meritorious, estimable, creditable, plausible, unimpeachable; beyond all praise.

[Adverbs] with credit, to admiration; well [more]; with three times three.

[Interjections] hear hear! bully for you! well done! bravo! bravissimo! euge! macte virtute! so far so good, that's right, quite right; optime! one cheer more; may your shadow never be less! esto perpetua! long life to! viva! enviva! Godspeed! valete et plaudite! encore! bis!

[Phrases] probatum est; tacent satis laudant; "servant of God, well done!" [Paradise Lost].

Disapprobation.

[Nouns] disapprobation, disapproval; improbation; disesteem, disvaluation, displacency; odium; dislike [more].

dispraise, discommendation; blame, censure, obloquy; detraction [more]; disparagement, depreciation; denunciation; condemnation [more]; ostracism; black list.

animadversion, reflection, stricture, objection, exception, criticism; sardonic grin, sardonic laugh; sarcasm, insinuation, inuendo; bad compliment, poor compliment, left-handed compliment.

satire; sneer (contempt) [more]; taunt (disrespect) [more]; cavil, carping, censoriousness; hypercriticism (fastidiousness) [more].

reprehension, remonstrance, expostulation, reproof, reprobation, admonition, increpation, reproach; rebuke, reprimand, castigation, jobation, lecture, curtain lecture, blow up, wigging, dressing, rating, scolding, trimming; correction, set down, rap on the knuckles, coup de bec, rebuff; slap, slap on the face; home thrust, hit; frown, scowl, black look.

diatribe; jeremiad, jeremiade; tirade, philippic.

clamor, outcry, hue and cry; hiss, hissing; sibilation, catcall; execration [more].

chiding, upbraiding; exprobation, abuse, vituperation, invective, objurgation, contumely; hard words, cutting words, bitter words.

evil-speaking; bad language [more]; personality.

[Verbs] disapprove; dislike [more]; lament [more]; object to, take exception to; be scandalized at, think ill of; view with disfavor, view with dark eyes, view with jaundiced eyes; nil admirari, disvalue; improbate.

frown upon, look grave; bend the brows, knit the brows; shake the head at, shrug the shoulders; turn up the nose (contempt) [more]; look askance, look black upon; look with an evil eye; make a wry face, make a wry mouth at; set one's face against.

dispraise, discommend, disparage; deprecate, speak ill of, not speak well of; condemn (find guilty) [more].

blame; lay blame upon, cast blame upon; censure, fronder, reproach, pass censure on, reprobate, impugn.

remonstrate, expostulate, reciminate.

reprehend, chide, admonish; berate, betongue; bring to account, call to account, call over the coals, call to order; take to task, reprove, lecture, bring to book; read a lesson, read a lecture to; rebuke, correct.

reprimand, chastise, castigate, lash, blow up, trounce, trim, laver la tete, overhaul; give it one, give it one finely; gibbet.

accuse [more]; impeach, denounce; hold up to reprobation, hold up to execration; expose, brand, gibbet, stigmatize; show up, pull up, take up; cry "shame" upon; be outspoken; raise a hue and cry against.

execrate [more]; exprobate, speak daggers, vituperate; abuse, abuse like a pickpocket; scold, rate, objurgate, upbraid, fall foul of; jaw; rail, rail at, rail in good set terms; bark at; anathematize, call names; call by hard names, call by ugly names; avile, revile; vilify, vilipend; bespatter; backbite; clapperclaw; rave against, thunder against, fulminate against; load with reproaches.

exclaim against, protest against, inveigh against, declaim against, cry out against, raise one's voice against.

decry; cry down, run down, frown down; clamor, hiss, hoot, mob, ostracize, blacklist; draw up a round robin, sign a round robin.

animadvert upon, reflect upon; glance at; cast reflection, cast reproach, cast a slur upon; insinuate, damn with faint praise; "hint a fault and hesitate dislike"; not to be able to say much for.

scoff at, point at; twit, taunt (disrespect) [more]; sneer at (despise) [more]; satirize, lampoon; defame (detract) [more]; depreciate, find fault with, criticize, cut up; pull to pieces, pick to pieces; take exception; cavil; peck at, nibble at, carp at; be censorious; pick holes, pick a hole, pick a hole in one's coat; make a fuss about.

take down, set down; snub, snap one up, give a rap on the knuckles; throw a stone at, throw a stone in one's garden; have a fling, have a snap at; have words with, pluck a crow with; give one a wipe, give one a lick with the rough side of the tongue.

incur blame, excite disapprobation, scandalize, shock, revolt; get a bad name, forfeit one's good opinon, be under a cloud, come under the ferule, bring a hornet's nest about one's ears.

take blame, stand corrected; have to answer for.

[Adjectives] disapproving; scandalized.

disparaging, condemnatory, damnatory, denunciatory, reproachful, abusive, objurgatory, clamorous, vituperative; defamatory [more].

satirical, sarcastic, sardonic, cynical, dry, sharp, cutting, biting, severe, withering, trenchant, hard upon; censorious, critical, captious, carping, hypercritical; fastidious [more]; sparing of praise, grudging praise.

disapproved, chid; in bad odor, blown upon, unapproved; unblest; at a discount, exploded; weighed in the balance and found wanting.

blameworthy, reprehensible (guilt) [more]; to blame, worthy of blame; answerable, uncommendable, exceptionable, not to be thought of; bad [more]; vicious [more].

unlamented, unbewailed, unpitied.

[Adverbs] with a wry face; reproachfully

[Interjections] it is too bad! it won't do, it will never do! marry come up! Oh! come! 'sdeath!

forbid it Heaven! God forbid, Heaven forbid! out upon, fie upon it! away with! tut! O tempora! O mores! shame! fie, fie for shame! out on you!

tell it not in Gath!
 

Sam_The_Man

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/me votes for "I've decided to step down as President and return the entire country to England. Gawd save the Queen."

Hey, in an infinite stupidity, anything is possible :)