rf's question

[Zarkazm]

Parents who need to spank in order to straighten their kids up suck aswell and usually fail.

Dude, you so do not know wtf you are talking about.

sez catfuzz

sez me as well.

I was actually beaten on a weekly schedul. No matter what I did.

You confuse me. How are you disagreeing with Balton? Do you mean to say beating you regularly was the right thing to do? But wouldn't that mean your own approach of not beating your kids is wrong?
Or is your point merely that you turned out allright despite being beaten? That doesn't really invalidate Balton's statement, although I ain't saying it's valid in the first place.

 

[Balton]

I have 2 kids (4and2) and have never hit them. Talked to them, taken away things. But never hit them. Hitting doesn't solve anything other than "you get pain for doing this.. from the people that you belive would never hurt you."... Teaching.. instruction.. talking.. understanding..patience.. those are the things that should have taken place of the belt/switch/backhand. I still remember the one time I lost my temper and really raised my voice to my son. I will never forget the look on his face. Why did I raise my voice? I had a rough day at work and forgot to leave the unimportant stuff at the front door. If people would place family where it belongs half the crap that goes on in this world.. wouldn't.

my parents never beat me, they did have to raise their voice from time to time but we never had any big disagreement or whatsoever.
I'm also one of the few people who spends alot of time talking and discussing things with his parents. That's what I think makes the difference.

 

[Stilgar]

oh, and lol@when spanking reaches the point where your children just start to laugh at and mock you

My niece just laughs, puts this silly "lol wtf, lamer?" look on her face, and then spanks u back. :tup:

 

[SpiritWalker]

You confuse me. How are you disagreeing with Balton? Do you mean to say beating you regularly was the right thing to do? But wouldn't that mean your own approach of not beating your kids is wrong?
Or is your point merely that you turned out allright despite being beaten? That doesn't really invalidate Balton's statement, although I ain't saying it's valid in the first place.

ermmmmm.. ya got me.. I think I read Fuzz's statment, looked up and missed the comment from Balton.. the way it acutally reads.. I meant to disagree with Fuzz..

 

[Cat Fuzz]

I don't think a little spanking is bad. Kids aren't nice and respectful by default, and I don't believe they can learn respect without learning a certain measure of fear beforehand.
I keep hearing this bull**** about kids threatening their parents or bullying them into buying them expensive stuff. We really have a problem with the state destroying the parents' authority.
When children lose respect of their parents it's not because they were spanked, that's a ridiculous whiny pseudo-liberal claim. There is a difference between a justified punishment and needless violence. Most kids know if they deserve punishment. It's when they are punished for no good reason that they lose respect, because they realize it's their parents who are doing wrong, not themselves.

I agree.

Wholly crap. I just saw a pig fly by.

 

[Cat Fuzz]

ermmmmm.. ya got me.. I think I read Fuzz's statment, looked up and missed the comment from Balton.. the way it acutally reads.. I meant to disagree with Fuzz..

Yeah, I'm wrong. I can see now how Balton is the qualified parenting expert that he is. How did I miss that before? Oh, yeah, HE HAS NO CHILDREN, thats why.

 

[SpiritWalker]

some common sense doesn't need to be quantified by experience.. it just is.

ie.

You don't have to have jumped off a 10 story building to know that it just ain't a good idea!!

 

[SpiritWalker]

btw.. firefox would rule if it handled some stuff faster.. love it.. except for when it tired to handle a Java based website.. it's arse then.

 

[Cat Fuzz]

some common sense doesn't need to be quantified by experience.. it just is.

ie.

You don't have to have jumped off a 10 story building to know that it just ain't a good idea!!

Hardly a close analogy. Jumping off a building is something that most people would agree isn't a good idea. How to raise and disipline children is something that varies from child to child. There is no common conclusion that applies to every situation.

 

[SpiritWalker]

There is no common conclusion that applies to every situation.

ok.. so why couldn't Balton know "wtf he was talking about"?

 

[Cat Fuzz]

ok.. so why couldn't Balton know "wtf he was talking about"?

He don't got no kids.

 

[Nachimir]

I don't have any lye, but I know it's a bad idea to drink it. I also have no polar bears, but I know it's a bad idea to poke them.

There are lots of people with kids who don't know WTF they're talking about, and as a result f*ck them up. Those people aren't all whiny liberal pacifists who raise soft fat kids with a distorted sense of entitlement. Sometimes, it's because they hit them too much, and their kids grow up learning to be wife- and child-beaters instead of learning proper social problem solving skills.

So, where do you draw the "too much/not enough" line? Is violence the only way to teach the importance of balanced social relations? When is it necessary?

 

[SpiritWalker]

I don't have any lye, but I know it's a bad idea to drink it. I also have no polar bears, but I know it's a bad idea to poke them.

Quote material!!!

So, where do you draw the "too much/not enough" line? Is violence the only way to teach the importance of balanced social relations? When is it necessary?

violence is not the only way to teach.. it just happens to be the worst way.

warrented? very very rarely... Necessary? for childeren? never.

 

[Rukee]

nice to see with such young kids of your own you are such an expert at the subject.

 

[Rukee]

Violence does not equal discipline, if it does, then you just lost control.

 

[SpiritWalker]

nice to see with such young kids of your own you are such an expert at the subject.

are you referring to me? if so you might want to re read my post on the subject.

Violence does not equal discipline, if it does, then you just lost control.

I guess that the person in control of your house as you were growing up had no control.

but swift backhands sure did change the way I acted around the house, and the way I acted out out of the house

 

[Evil_Cope]

If it didn't sound like it was referring to you, ever thought that it might not?

 

[Cat Fuzz]

I don't have any lye, but I know it's a bad idea to drink it. I also have no polar bears, but I know it's a bad idea to poke them.

Thanks for another bad analogy.

 

[Rukee]

are you referring to me? if so you might want to re read my post on the subject.

Violence does not equal discipline, if it does, then you just lost control.

I guess that the person in control of your house as you were growing up had no control.

but swift backhands sure did change the way I acted around the house, and the way I acted out out of the house

not only did he not have control at all, he was drunk most of the time too.

 

[Nachimir]

Thanks for another bad analogy.

Thanks for eliding the rather hairy questions I posed. Here's a thought: stop assuming I lean left and am anti-smacking, and just explain your POV.