MP5/40 reloading
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All the HK roller lock weapons animated by Sentry do this (see PSG1, G3). I honestly don't know why. I've heard that if you try and load one of these to mag + 1, you'll destroy the weapon, but I don't know if that's true. The mod team MP5A2 would seem to contradict this.
geogob
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The INFMOD team has military personal as reference. SentryStudios reference were/are mainly law inforcements. I understand it is common procedure to do this in law inforcement "to avoid" the mistake pushing a new round in the chamber when one is already in (if you eject it before changing the mag, you are sure none will be in there). You can simply remove the magazine and put a new one in without any problems, but if you by accident try to cycle the mechanism manually, you'll damage the weapon or something like that.
I'm sure all those who game me this explanation a thousand times will be pleased to give it to you a tad more accurately, making sure to point out every false information or innacuracy I gave.
I'm sure all those who game me this explanation a thousand times will be pleased to give it to you a tad more accurately, making sure to point out every false information or innacuracy I gave.
...What?geogob said:
The explaination I've always got for this behavior was that forcing a full mag in with an already chambered round would damage the headspacing.
geogob
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yeah, well I never fully understood the explanation on real technical basis. I guess it would be better for someone else than me to explain it lol.
It seems like one of the MP5's (MP540/A3 or MP5A2) is animated incorrectly. Which one? ... beats me.
It would be nice to get a definitive answer on this one.
It would be nice to get a definitive answer on this one.
yurch said:
I thought so too, but after skimming through the MP5 manual, it doesn't actually say this. I'd copy and paste it directly, but the damn PDF file won't allow any text to be selected.
It says on Pg 27
I'll ask on some forums and see what the deal is
I think that's a sort of safety measure for sport shooting, practice and readying, but that's definitely not for practical use in any tactical situation! This must be removed!
geogob
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Hold on. Germans being a bit hardcore (i know something about this), I wouldn't be surprise if they actually do that in the Bundeswehr hehe. So it would have it's place in INF. Saying that "This must be removed" is somewhat exagerated. It is still a valid procedure and not an error.
geogob said:
As it's a valid procedure of replacing an MG barrel after a certain amount of shots, I think that some other details of bigger importance have been ignored (not implemented) in the game, so we could skip such fantaisies. Especialy when it's a fantasy that make you waste rounds and slows your reloading, something that you'll never do in a real fight situation.
geogob
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oh the reload seems quite fast enough already. No need to speed weapon handling up.
I see so many people play TDM like this: "Acquire Target - Empty mag in general direction of acquired target - Reload - Scan for next Target". If you play that way, you'll hate reloading. If you play realistically, you won't even worry about it.
I've seen quite a few matches where I reload only once using the G3A3... and you don't have 30 rounds in a G3!
I see so many people play TDM like this: "Acquire Target - Empty mag in general direction of acquired target - Reload - Scan for next Target". If you play that way, you'll hate reloading. If you play realistically, you won't even worry about it.
I've seen quite a few matches where I reload only once using the G3A3... and you don't have 30 rounds in a G3!
Just compare the reload times of all 3 mp5s, You probably can't tell the difference when actually playing, mind you, but the thing that ticks me off is the HA-TCHA ninja chop action. Besides that, the fact that you waste ONE ROUND in order to get a full mag is like trying to compare the lifspan of a light bulb being shortened every time you open the current. If wasting one round really bothers you, don't reload after every 3-6 round burst, why not try and keep track of your shots and reload when you have too.
Seriously tho, every time I'm dead all I see are people walking around... the spot an enemy, shoot them dead with one burst and... reload. You know, the ammo you get doesn't add up in the end, you still have that same used clip. I really enjoy wating one of these compulsive reloaders near the end of every mag and go <fire><fire><fire> <click> <reload> <fire><fire> <click> <re.... die>
Seriously tho, every time I'm dead all I see are people walking around... the spot an enemy, shoot them dead with one burst and... reload. You know, the ammo you get doesn't add up in the end, you still have that same used clip. I really enjoy wating one of these compulsive reloaders near the end of every mag and go <fire><fire><fire> <click> <reload> <fire><fire> <click> <re.... die>
The reason many do not reload when they have to is that they don't want to reload during a fire fight.
I may not be as compulsive as you discribe but after a fire fight and there is a lull I always reload. I have never had a problem near the end of a game of being short. When I get into a fight though I don't want to worry that I am heading in with half a mag.
I may not be as compulsive as you discribe but after a fire fight and there is a lull I always reload. I have never had a problem near the end of a game of being short. When I get into a fight though I don't want to worry that I am heading in with half a mag.
That's pretty much the same with me, if I've got less than half a mag left and the situation is clear, I switch it. The exception is the M1S90, which I try to keep as full as possible (8 rounds can disappear very quickly).
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If you empty half a mag, I agree, even I reload at that time (and I, too, always keep my shotty loaded). But those that I see reloading after every kill/burst kinda makes me mad... almost as mad as those who empty 2-3 clips into a corpse "just to make sure" then complain that bulk is exagerated when they carry 3x the amount of ammo I do just because they're trigger happy boasting A-holes...
bah, when carrying 4 clips, 1 clip a kill seems acceptable, even if I have only used 5 bullets i prefer to have a full mag for the next fire fight (anyway normally I don't do more then 4 kills a round ).
).If It was "for real", be sure... I won't eject the chambered round before reloading.geogob said:
That's not what bothers me... The thing that bothers me is : why do you have to waste one round when you could not do so, and unless I'm getting a valid explanation about this weird procedure of emptying an MP5 chamber before puting a fresh mag, I will persist and say : "This is stupid!" and "Must be removed"-= said: