more Canada info needed...

[Zundfolge]

actualy, you can own a tank, only the big gun can't be operational and you can't mount a machine gun on it.

I remember a friend of my dad's who collected military equipment, he had a real nice restored Sherman tank.

Plus I've got a friend who owns a Japanese Zero (they're members of tora101)

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[This message was edited by Zundfolge on Aug 26, 2000 at 18:07.]

 

[Bad.Mojo]

lol Cat... I remember that... Jesus Christ that was nuts.

Cool Zund, I remember somebody told me that you couldn't own any sort of stuff like that at all unless you were an institute. But here, the guns can be fully operational. Its just cause they're so damn expensive the government figures anybody with money = high profile = not likely to use it to commit a crime.

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[DeadeyeDan[ToA]]

Yea, kinda silly for it to be illegal here, too... for anyone crazy and suicidal enough to try committing a crime in a tank, it's easier to steal the tank from an Army base (like the afformentioned crazy bastard did), then raise 4 million dollars.

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[Bad.Mojo]

I suppose. But its just one more risk you have to worry about. And its not really worth worrying over. Lets face it, alot of militias in the united states are large, brainwashing, fanatical, and anti-government. If they raised enough money to purchase several tanks, they could make the Oklahoma city bombing seem like a firecracker.

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[{PhD}Teutonic]

I remember watching that nut steal the tank on "Real TV" I think. If I remember correctly he drove THROUGH a large mobile RV while driving it through a neighborhood.

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[DeadeyeDan[ToA]]

Hmmm... I wouldn't say alot. Technically all militias just assemble to excercise and protect their rights, and help out the community/the local law encorcement/the military in an emergency. If fanatical fringe groups out there that brainwash people and are anti-government (instead of anti-excessive government) call themselves a militia, I won't recognice that status- it is a misnomer. Personally, I haven't heard of any of those fringe groups that could be considered "large", it seems to me all the really big groups that call themselves militias are good ones.

One of the largest is the Missouri 51st militia, who train not only to protect themselves from an invading power or a government seeking to take away their rights, but also train to put out fires, find and rescue lost children in the wilderness, evacuate people from burning buildings, etc. They also kick people out if they going around bragging about knowing how to make bombs, or asking how to make them (they've even reported these people to the FBI)... yet oddly enough they were the ones *falsely* connected to the Oaklahoma City bombing, which pretty much got the ball rolling on the media-induced myth of militias being just a bunch of crazy racist mad-bombers.

Just to get the facts straight and in the open-

1- Timothy McVeigh (sp?) was not part of any militia. He never claimed to be and no militia ever claimed him.
2- The Oaklahoma City bombing could not have even come close to helping the patriot movement in the US. Militias assemble to protect their rights, family, and nation- blowing up buildings is not a part of their goal.
3- Allegations that the leaders of the MO 51st are members of the KKK are utterly false. They have many Jewish members, several black members, and a Bhuddist. They also do not allow members to make racist remarks.

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Shook all tha world bankers, who think they can rhyme,
Shot the landlords, who knew it was mine,
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[Bad.Mojo]

I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to, Deadeye. A militia is ANY paramilitary group that is not funded by the government. that means reservists, cops, and feds (all paramilitary organizations funded at federal/city/state/provincial levels) are excluded from that. All I'm saying is a properly motivated group of military wannabe psychos could make the worst terrorist attack on North American soil in years look like a fucking walk in the park if they had tank and shit.

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[DeadeyeDan[ToA]]

Well, my dictionary has 3 different definitions, one talks about giving aid in an emergency, so I guess either definition is correct, so I'll drop that part.

Anyways, the real nutjobs are in much smaller groups and don't have thousands of supporters like the good militias do, so coming up with 4 million dollars just to go on a suicide mission wouldn't be feasible. Hell, it would be easier and cheaper for them to secretly buy an Iraqi tank instead of letting anyone who wants to know about your purchase, and that way they wouldn't have to worry about say, government surveillance or an electronic tracker hidden somewhere on the tank (which those paranoid freaks would have thought of twice as fast as I did). And even easier than that, would be to construct a series of bombing plots and excecute them simultaniously- that way you have multiple targets like the tank, *and* there's actually a chance of living through it.

Anyway, the point is they could get their hands on something like that just as easily (in this case easier) illegally, so what does it matter if it's illegal or not?

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Shook all tha world bankers, who think they can rhyme,
Shot the landlords, who knew it was mine,
Yes, its a war from the depth of time!

 

[Zundfolge]

Maybe these guys have an idea...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason, during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution (1788). [/quote]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> "The great object is that every man be armed" and "everyone who is able may have a gun."
--Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution. Debates and other Proceedings of the Convention of Virginia,...taken in shorthand by David Robertson of Petersburg, at 271, 275 2d ed. Richmond, 1805. Also 3 Elliot, Debates at 386 [/quote]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> "And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
--Thomas Jefferson in a letter to
William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson, On Democracy p. 20, S. Padover ed., 1939 [/quote]

 

[Bad.Mojo]

I seem to have given you the impression that I think all militias are bad (which they are not.)

I'm talking about the truly dangerous ones (the ones that you and I both know exist -- one a few years ago was planning to destroy the hoover damn, it had in excess of 500 members nation wide) that could scrape up that type of money. They believe the current government IS a threat to their liberty, and that they MUST protect their country from domestic enemies (this enemy being their perceived notion of the government)

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[Zundfolge]

certianly these groups do exist, but I think the threat they pose is a little overblown by the media.

As for Hoover Dam, it would take either a real big fuckin bomb or someone on the inside to pull it off. It's one of the most amazing man made structures, especialy considering it was built in the 30s.

I think the most dangerous ones are the white power types, and even KlanWatch (an orgaization that watches the KKK and other white racist groups) says only 10% of the militia movement in the US is racist (and they're the kind of organization that would inflate the numbers to make the problem look worse) so I'm not too worried (but then again, look at Oklahoma City).

I think KlanWatch has a www site somewhere,and they may have a list of the "dangerous" militias.

 

[DeadeyeDan[ToA]]

Okiedoke, I didn't think you thought they were all bad, I just thought you had fallen victim to the common misconception and myth that they were generally bad, and that the Oaklahoma City bombing was planned and carried out by a militia.

As for 500 psychos planning on bombing on blowing up the Hoover Dam, please elaborate. I've heard of 2 psychos doing something similar that belonged to a militia of over 500 (that did not help them or condone it), but not that. And I seriously doubt any group of psychos in America that big calls themselves anything other than the KKK.

Even if a group like that could raise that kind of money, they'd still buy it illegally anyway... getting it legally would mean paying more, and being under surveillance by whoever wants to, possibly even being followed home from the tank dealership /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. So buying it legally would only be for the rich, law abiding citizen who collects stuff like that or wants to knock down some trees in his 10 acre back yard with it- the legallity of it really has no impact on anybody that plans on committing a crime with one.

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Shot four puppet governors in a line,
Shook all tha world bankers, who think they can rhyme,
Shot the landlords, who knew it was mine,
Yes, its a war from the depth of time!

[This message was edited by DeadeyeDan[ToA] on Aug 31, 2000 at 17:27.]

 

[Omega]

Real Pacman.. please answer..

How's the weather in Toronto? Can you give me any info on it.. what's it like.. is it a safe city?, etc.. also the humidity level if you can. My Wife suffers from dry skin.

THANKS!!!!
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