Marines: To Join or Not to Join?

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Jotun

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i have been looking into what to do for my future. I have high academics and the military interests me. This is 2 years off but i'm considering joining the marines. I would like to hear about people's experiences with the marines, people's thoughts on the marines, and anything else you wish to contribute.

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Bad.Mojo

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Marines? big yawn. Alot of boot camp and a whole lot of crap, and an ugly frigging hair cut to boot. Stick with infantry. Its easier. If you can cut it in the marines, you'll be a sargeant in no time in the army -- or whatever americans have as their bizarre "a whole lot of ranks for so few reasons" ranking system that's equivalent to a sargeant.

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Bad.Mojo

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yeah, but you guys have like three subranks to sargeant or something weird like that...like gunnery sargeant and shit.

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Keiichi

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The Discovery Channel is running a week-long series of On The Inside episodes that deal with U.S. Marines boot camp and life in the U.S. Navy SEALS. If you're serious about joining the military I suggest you watch.

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there are no "marines " in germany, but my experiences in our army say whatever part of your troops you will join.. sargeant is not enough... always join to become an officer!!! Otherwise there are to many other ranks who could tell you what you have to do!!! And another tip is to learn what you can ... and try to be always a member of the best in your group. Than you have a good chance to start a career in the military.

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What happened to the good ol' Kriegsmarine? Guess that went out in WW2 /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Guess that was Navy anyways.

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This is not meant as disrespectful to marines, but in a study of all 4 services and how well they equipped people with skills it broke down like this: 1. Air Force, 2. Army, 3. Navy and 4. Marines.

However, in the Marines defense they are extrememly character focused, and it is a true brotherhood of soldiers. The downside: your basic training will not include any combat schools, youll learn marksmanship (every Marine a rifleman) then after basic you head off to infantry tactics and all that. In the Army you get all that within basic, but its less character driven.

I agree that you should watch the discover chanell stuff, they are pretty good, though there is a much more boring and tedious downside that you dont see...

Think hard about what you want and if the military can give it to you, its a big decision that will effect you for the rest of your life, and will represent a large chunk of time.
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Catalyst

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Disclaimer: I've never had military experience and these are my views. They may not be correct and they are not meant to offend.

First and foremost the Marines are killers. It doesn't seem to me they are interested in high academics or technical know-how. Obviously it pays to be smart, but the Marines want killers. They want your typical All-American jock-type to hand a rifle and slaughter the shit out of people. They build egos. Go in and you may never come out the same.

Secondly, it looks like the Army is becoming more and more of a skills based force. Every ad I see is more and more hyping all the technical side of it. "Learn a job, pay for college, gain skills you can use." Is this the Army, or ITT? However, I think a large part of the army is still grunt-centric and if the shit hits the fan you're going to be out there on the front lines.

If I were you I'd probably join the Army. If you already got the smarts, you could probably advance fast and get your money for college. However if you're looking to kill, the Marines may be for you. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Jotun

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*looks at the screen pale* I'm probably gonna have a computer job if I join the military. i'm not the biggest man on earth but i am pretty damn smart. I have a 4.0 Grade Average. One thing i DONT want to do is be on the front line during war. I'd probably be sitting in the trench sucking my thumb. I'm just not ment for war. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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hell, if you have a 4.0 and you do well on the test (what's it called? the ASFAB? or something like that) Then you should look in to the Air Force. Lots of computer related jobs there.

Plus then you have a chance to go to the air force academy. Graduating from there will look very nice on a resume (partly because you have to be sponsored by a congressman or senator to get in).

If you really like the marines, do your tour and see if you can get into Annapolis (or do marines go to West Point?).

Many people see a graduation from one of those three schools as more valuable then an Ivy League sheepskin.

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Catalyst

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Hehe, maybe you should talk to Warren before you consider the Air Force.

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Jotun

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well...

i know i could get into a good college and all but for some reason i just REALLY want to be in the military. The discipline really appeals to me. My best friend's dad is a retired Air Force Officer and i'll talk to him. Also if I stay in the military long enough and retire, when i get out i'll have money coming in from retirement on top of my job money. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Warren

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My experience tells me that if you want to be far away from the front lines, than the Air Force is just the thing for ya. Face it, we pay our officers more money and send their asses to the front lines! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Seriously though, the Air Force is 80% technical. Depending on what you're good at, you could really get some great experience in a lot of different fields. The job I had was pretty technical, though not all the time. I just wanted it because I got to work on da jets.. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I won't lie to ya though, the military as a whole is pretty much at the bottom when it comes to morale. But I think things are changing, albeit slowly, because the public is starting to really see how claims about our military being the best in the world is turning into meer words... without morale, you ain't shit..

Anyway, basic training is easiest in the Air Force.. it's all a mind game- they yell at ya a lot because they're not allowed to punish you with pushups, etc etc.. if you can handle someone yelling at you because it's their job, then you'll be good to go. It's pretty common sense stuff- people freak out when they look too much into why you're there, or can't handle the stress. They scare you with as many ways as they can- amazing what they can come up with when physical punishment isn't an option. Just remember, being a TI (instructor) is a demanding job- the AF has to pay those guys extra because it's not something people are jumping at the chance to do. Most TI's go into it with a passion that they want to make sure "newbies" loose the real world attitudes and gain a respect for what it is to work as a team.. Granted, some are just assholes- but most are there to make sure you succeed..

The Air Force isn't as much about risking your life as it is about putting the life of others in your hands- I worked as a weapons technician, loading munitions and troubleshooting aircraft, etc.. my job was demanding with a lot of "sit-around-and-wait" too. I'd say if you're good with certain skills, push for those related jobs- in the end you won't get a real choice- they'll just match up your test scores with what you wanted to do with what they need (and right now, the military NEEDS people bad).

I'd recommend military service for anyone- not only does it build great character, but most of my friends from back home will probably live and die not far from where they are. I've had the opportunity to travel not only around the states, but a lot of the world too..

In retrospect, even through the 16+ hour workdays I've done, shitty leaders I've had to follow, crap details I endured, 3 day notices to be halfway around the world, lower pay, no matter what I do in life, I'll always remember my times in the military. Almost every person I talk to at any age who has done military service, can remember those times like they were yesterday- even my Grandfather- he wasn't in the Navy that many years and still he can talk about it like he just got out.. Trust me, if you look into what you want and do your time, you won't regret it.

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Bad.Mojo

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Of course, if you want a good reason NOT to join the airforce, take a look at this video: =)

http://formenmedia.ign.com/media/news/image/hardcore/planesucksman.mov

requires quicktime. Funniest thing I've ever seen.

Yeah, the guy survived =).

Thanks to Catalyst for hooking me up a couple weeks ago with these great links.

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Jotun

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thanks

thanks ALOT Warren you really helped me out /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I can take the pressure of being yelled at HELL i take being yelled at by my 20 year old brother. If I just take the yelling as their jobs i think i should be fine. so thanks again to wanderer and the rest of ya.

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Keiichi

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OMFG Mojo! Was that video for real? If it is, I don't see how anyone could survive being sucked into a jet engine.

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Warren

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I haven't actually seen that video through that link yet (yeah, my bandwidth is about the size and length of a strand of hair) but they showed us a video that took place at night where a guy gets sucked into an A-6 intruder.. the video itself is I think during the Gulf War, or soon after, but I could be wrong. Anyway, it happened on a Navy aircraft carrier- the guy just was in the wrong place at the wrong time when the pilot was throttling up to full military power.. ::makes sucking noise:: As far as I know, he had a flashlight checking things over before the plane was to take off, and that flashlight "FOD"ed out the engine before he actually got to it. No one knew he was in there until he crawled out of the intake himself! We were told the guy suffered some broken ribs and a collar bone.. The video was called "Green Jello" /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh and no problem Jotun- if you have any more questions about the military, or the AF in particular, best ask them before I forget everything I know /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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