MAJOR PATCH BUG! All server admins read!

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NTKB

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Ok any servers running the 451 patch should be aware of this. Any clients who are running the creative 436 patch will NOT be able to connect to your server! I am one of those players and I can tell you now I cannot remove 436 creative from my computer because I cannot use team speak in the game without it. All server admins need to be aware of this flaw ASAP so tell your admin or server owner please. :(
 
erehwoN

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It's unfortunate that's the case. The Creative patch causes some problems on its own, like messing with the bot intelligence. There are some advantages to the 451 patch, but just be aware that it is unofficial, so it wasn't tested with 2.9 and isn't supported.
 
NTKB

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erehwoN said:
...The Creative patch causes some problems on its own, like messing with the bot intelligence...
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hehe they have intelligence ? Maybe thats why they just stand around and let me shoot them! ;)
 
Cleeus[JgKdo]

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1. its nothing new

2. NTKB, did you try all combinations of TS/UT settings:
UT has the UseDirectSound=True/False
TS can use wave or direct sound too
(i'm using direct sound in TS and no direct sound in UT/INF)
 
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Cleeus[JgKdo] said:
1. its nothing new

2. NTKB, did you try all combinations of TS/UT settings:
UT has the UseDirectSound=True/False
TS can use wave or direct sound too
(i'm using direct sound in TS and no direct sound in UT/INF)
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No and I suggest you remove it for the following reasons: Not everyone knows about this.
Not everyone comes to the forums.
We want to make the servers as noob friendly as possible.
 
DamienW

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Cleeus[JgKdo] said:
I am lucky enough not to have to suffer from the UT451/Creative patch conflict, so UT451 is staying. Nevermind those who are not lucky. Ah ah ah.
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Slightly paraphrased.
 
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Cleeus[JgKdo]

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No, you got it a bit wrong. We have a server with ssh root acccess, therefore we are fully responsible for the security of it and therefore we CANNOT take the risk of a 4.36 server.
If there are people who have to use the Creative patch, then I feel sorry, but until now, i've not seen any pc where this patch really HAS to be used to get it working (note: JgKdo has 16 players, and everyone has a different machine. Noone needs the creative patch and we are all using TS2 and it works very well).

NTKB, if you should decide to try out 4.36 + TS again, catch me on ICQ or IRC and I'll happily help you with your sound problems if you want.
 
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Cleeus[JgKdo] said:
No, you got it a bit wrong. We have a server with ssh root acccess, therefore we are fully responsible for the security of it and therefore we CANNOT take the risk of a 4.36 server.
If there are people who have to use the Creative patch, then I feel sorry, but until now, i've not seen any pc where this patch really HAS to be used to get it working (note: JgKdo has 16 players, and everyone has a different machine. Noone needs the creative patch and we are all using TS2 and it works very well).

NTKB, if you should decide to try out 4.36 + TS again, catch me on ICQ or IRC and I'll happily help you with your sound problems if you want.
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Cleeus the issue with the GD server is not about me. its about the community. We are not gonna add a patch to GD that will limit the players who can join. Until this issue is solved we are gonna have to keep the 436 patch. I would love your help though for me personally so I can join your server. When i see you on ICQ I will contact you. Thanks.
 
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{GD}NTKB said:
Cleeus the issue with the GD server is not about me. its about the community. We are not gonna add a patch to GD that will limit the players who can join. Until this issue is solved we are gonna have to keep the 436 patch.
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The problem cannot be solved. The only way is, that the clients don't use the creative patch.
The question is: Can a server admin take the risk of a 4.36 server? They can be used for remote code execution and i bet there are ready made exploits out there. Together with some local bugs the attacker could get compete local access on you box.
It sounds like exspecially the GD server is situated inside of a companys network, maybe with some valuable information directly on it but atleast with the ability to scan and go on with the attack to other machines. A valuable target if you ask me.
And no, i've never hacked a computer - i just know of the problems and how the attacks work like every serveradmin should.
 
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Well, if the newbies have problems joining the server, they're going to look in the troubleshooting forum, where the fix is listed nice and clearly in the common problems thread. Would you want to risk the security of your server just so a few newbies save 2 minutes of their time?
 
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Also the people who will be going "OMG A BUG, THIS GAME SUXX0RZ!!11" are most likely not the people who'd hang around to begin with so the impact of a problem like this would most likely be very minor regardless.
 
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Crowze said:
Well, if the newbies have problems joining the server, they're going to look in the troubleshooting forum, where the fix is listed nice and clearly in the common problems thread. Would you want to risk the security of your server just so a few newbies save 2 minutes of their time?
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I played INF for months before I even realized there was a forum.

"Also the people who will be going "OMG A BUG, THIS GAME SUXX0RZ!!11" are most likely not the people who'd hang around to begin with so the impact of a problem like this would most likely be very minor regardless."

I disagree. If I just DLed a huge mod and I couldnt get into the first server I tried to join I would be pissed. Now lets say I try a different server and the same problem happens. **** the game im done. Even losing one potential INFer to this would suck.

Instead of just dealing with this why doesnt someone recode 451 and make it friendly?
 
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Anyways; it all comes down to preference. Cleeus, a serveradmin by profession, is unlikely to take the risk. Odie3, apparantly, is willing to take the risk. I'd warn against using 436, but i can hardly stop anyone from running a 436 server.
 
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I just checked what the 451 patch updates on the server and indeed, beeing myself a sysadmin, I wounldn't run any UT server without this patch. I know, I know this does't help the fact that there is an incompatibility between the 451 server and the EAX patch.

You know what you should try... this might seem weird but I would try it anyway. Try to connect to a Vanilla UT (not INF) 451 deathmatch server with the EAX patch. Maybe it will work because I doupt the guys who made 451 neglected to test with the EAX patch (given what I see on their web site).

If it works, the issue might be with INF and it might be easier to get an update anytime soon from SS then from anyone else. But if the issue is not with the combination EAX/INF/UT451 but with the EAX/UT451 combination, I doupt people at SS would be of any help soon. It's worth checking it out anyway.
 
Beppo

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To clearly state one thing:

do NOT use the Creative patch at all !!!!

It messes up UT fully and many things within INF can get out of control too. The Bots doing nothing 'problem' is only one of them. Another problem does not save your setting changes properly to the ini files. Means in some situations only the last setting you changed gets magically written into the ini file but nothing else.

We had several really weird issues and effects during testing that only happened on machines with the Creative patch installed. Removing the patch got rid off these weird effects then fully.

So, I recommend to NOT use this Creative patch at all. Whatever advantage or feature it may give you... the disadvantages and weird things that will show up are much much worser!
 
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