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Live 8

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Hunter, Jul 2, 2005.

  1. Sam_The_Man

    Sam_The_Man I am the Hugh Grant of Thatcherism

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    What Deepershade said. And definitely not increase aid (writing off debts is another thing). The thing about aid is that although it can put in place the infrastructure necessary for economic development, there's no question that it props up despotic regimes. By allowing governments to depend on aid from abroad rather than tax from home, it eliminates any incentive for there to actually be development in the first place. When your citizens raise themselves above subsistence level they have to be taxed, and when you start taxing your citizens they start asking questions about how you spend it. Given the choice between aid and tax, a government will choose aid any time.

    Most aid is political rather than economic - look at the way a lot of aid money has to be spent on capital from the donor country. Or at the focus on the AIDS issue - yes, AIDS is a terrible blight in Africa, but malaria is an equally big problem if not bigger, and unlike AIDS malaria can easily and cheaply be reduced or even eliminated with modern medicine, mosquito nets, etc. So why the focus on AIDS? I'd be interested if anyone can come up with a better reason than 'because Westerners don't get malaria'.

    It's a pop concert, and quite frankly I'm tired of being called a prick because I think that white has-beens aren't going to lift people out of poverty. Whenever people try to explain how Live 8 will change anything they get as far as the word 'awareness' before their brain shuts down under the influence of mind-numbling piano-driven housewife rock.

    *edit*

    Currently watching the concert with the back of my head. Just now a man in a silly hat told the crowd "If we make lots of noise... we can make them listen!" I was wondering who 'they' were, and what 'they' were supposed to listen to, but meh, I'm just a cynical prick.
     
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  2. rattyocaster

    rattyocaster Up close and personal Sniper

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    I wonder how many complaints'll be sent for the language used? LOL
     
  3. JonAzz

    JonAzz UA Mapper

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    it won't work :S it just says playing but nothing comes up...

    I want to see pink floyd :(
     
  4. TossMonkey

    TossMonkey brown bread?

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    And tonight on watchdog.... ;)
     
  5. The_Head

    The_Head JB Mapper

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    Any Idea at what time Pink Floyd are playing at?
     
  6. mokeh

    mokeh Ride for ruin

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    they are meant to be on at 21:50 but its about an hour behind schedule at the moment i think
     
  7. thewalkingman

    thewalkingman ssssssssssss bugger!

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4641889.stm


    1906 currently performingThe Killers: All These Things That I've Done

    1926 Joss Stone: Super Duper Love, I Had A Dream, Some Kind of Wonderful

    1946 Scissor Sisters: Laura, Take Your Mama, Everybody Wants The Same Thing

    2006 Velvet Revolver: Do It For The Kids

    2026 Sting: Every Breath You Take, Message in a Bottle, Desert Rose

    2046 Mariah Carey: Vision of Love, Make It Happen, We Belong Together

    2106 Robbie Williams: Let Me Entertain You, Feel, Angels

    2126 The Who (introduced by Peter Kay): Who Are You?, Won't Get Fooled Again, Baba O'Riley, Behind Blue Eyes

    2149 Pink Floyd: TBC (Expected to play four songs including Money, Comfortably Numb, Wish You Were Here)

    2211 Sir Paul McCartney: TBC (Expected to play five songs including The Long and Winding Road)

    Finale: Sir Paul McCartney joined on stage by George Michael and Sir Mick Jagger
     
  8. thewalkingman

    thewalkingman ssssssssssss bugger!

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    It is all for the children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




    Goodie bags for hunger?

    Gonna watch the big Live 8 concerts this weekend?

    Indeed, the lineups look interesting and I wish I could be there to take ‘em in. Still, this story out of Australia made me pause.

    According to the story, “Live 8 performers are playing for free, but local organisers plan to shower the celebrities with a Hugo Boss duffel bag loaded with high-fashion trinkets valued at about $4,000.

    “They'll also be able to add to their goodie bags with big-ticket items including Hugo Boss suits, valued at $1,000 to $1,310 each; XM satellite radios and subscriptions, $655; Gibson guitars, $2,600; Bertolucci watches, valued between $2,000 and $7,900; and other items.

    “In all, a celebrity could walk away with a bag of gifts worth as much as $15,700.”

    Wow, that’s just amazing. And, wrong.

    The article includes comments from an ethicist, who points out that it’s “peculiar that the rich gifts are being offered at a concert whose aim is bringing attention to poverty in Africa.”


    http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050701/FREE/50701006/1002&Profile=1002
     
  9. L_S

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    lmao! An "ethicist" eh? Where can one find such a job and how much does it pay?
     
  10. Sam_The_Man

    Sam_The_Man I am the Hugh Grant of Thatcherism

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    This article raises many questions, but I think the most important one is how you gain the qualifications to become an ethicist. Apparently an 'ethicist' is someone newspapers use to drop opinions in supposedly neutral articles on the basis that it's a third-party quote and not editorial comment. I could do that, easy.

    *edit* OMG teleposted.
     
  11. DeeperShade

    DeeperShade Banned

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    You're right, it's a start. Now it was in the right direction it would be a better start, but hey, I hope it works out I really do.

    I just don't hold out much hope.

    Let's be honest. Make poverty history? It's never going to happen. There will always be poverty somewhere in the world.
     
  12. L_S

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    Not if we kill all the poor people!!!! :tup:
     
  13. Hunter

    Hunter BeyondUnreal Newsie

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    /me shoots L_S

    There we go, one down ;)

    It's a nice way to start. showing that the whole world knows whats going on
     
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  14. thewalkingman

    thewalkingman ssssssssssss bugger!

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    Nah just build health facilitators and heath food supplement factories in Africa.
     
  15. L_S

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    Actually in all seriousness I do have a pretty sound solution but I know this one is going to get me into trouble...

    We send over TWD and his army of missionaries. We give each of them a U-haul truck filled with condoms and coat hangars. They hand out the condoms to the men and the coat hangars to the women and give a short class on how to use each. Once all the condoms and coat hangars are handed out they start loading the impoverished onto the U-hauls and drive them to let's say somewhere like NOT THE DESERT!!!*





    * this post is endorsed by the North American Board of Ethicists
     
  16. ^DaRk^AgentOrange|PuF

    ^DaRk^AgentOrange|PuF Banned

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    watched for velvet revolver who were awesome even if scott's singing voice was quite off. gonna stay tuned for pink floyd.
     
  17. Sam_The_Man

    Sam_The_Man I am the Hugh Grant of Thatcherism

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    That's just sick. It's quite obvious that eating the surplus population is the answer.

    Anyways, I'm not at all surprised how natural Geldof and Blair are in each others company: apart from the fact that Geldof feels that his natural calling is as a politician and Blair feels that his natural calling is as a rock star, Geldof's solution to poverty is pretty much identical to New Labour's solution to the NHS: pick a number, double it, fling that amount of cash at it and call it investment, and in the meantime make a lot of noise while saying absolutely nothing.

    And Geldofites would rather slit their wrists than admit it, but this new fashion for calling anyone who calls into question the effectiveness of the Make Poverty History campaign 'cynics' is identical in principle to the Bush administration's penchant for calling its critics 'unpatriotic'. It stops any argument about the issue in question, and forces the critic to persuade the audience that he isn't cynical or unpatriotic: an impossible task because both labels are completely abstract, so in effect he automatically loses the argument. Geldoffing is the Godwinning for a new generation.
     
  18. DeeperShade

    DeeperShade Banned

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    Can anyone actually tell me any song other than the Live Aid song that geldof has written and been successful with? Not wanting to bash him, but I can't think of one myself.
     
  19. The_Head

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    When you say the Liva Aid one. Is that as in the Band Aid song, feed the world. Or the one he played tonight and back in 1985.
    Other then them can't name a single thing. ONly knoew he was in a band until more recently.
     
  20. DeeperShade

    DeeperShade Banned

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    Do they know it's Christmas is the official title I believe, but yeah, that one.



    oh and:
    Even if we did, there'd still be poverty. If everyone had over 100k, then some of those people would still be in poverty compared to those who have millions. I'm probably being pedantic by taking poverty at it's literal meaning, but still. You can't kill poverty without killing money and even then, some people would have more material goods, friends, food, etc etc than others, making those others poorer. Sad, but true.
     
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