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IronMonkey

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Contrary to popular belief, I don't sit around all day carefully crafting each reply to every post that I make. If I make sweeping generalizations, that is all they are -- Generalizations.

I'm sure I could likewise piecemeal refute your post, but I don't even care. You can join the loving ranks of other people on this forum who don't care about my arguments (or tend to not want to or care to try to understand them) and instead attack the delivery of the arguments.

Fun times! :Poop:

You're still doing it! I'll leave it as an exercise for the alert reader to parse the above quote. :)

I neither want nor expect you to agree publicly with me over this.

I happen to think that you've lost your way a little. My hope is that you might consider what I have said as you go forward.

For what it's worth, I don't want to (nor will I) become part of a group that automatically disagrees because you made the post. I genuinely value what you have to say even when I disagree (which is less often than you seem to think).

I've said what I have to say on the topic - whether you take any notice is a private matter for you.
 

Sir_Brizz

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Why should I agree with you? As I said in my last post, you feel like attacking my imperfect delivery rather than approaching any of my points. Good day :)
 

IronMonkey

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I tried dual boot and I failed :( I have three drives in my computer, and was hoping to have a different OS on each one (each drive is different and I am cheap :p). When it comes to dual boot though, I fail. The last one I did was 3.1 & 95, and I did bad at that.
I don't use ubuntu myself but I believe that 8.04 (due to leave beta during April?) can install directly in a Windows folder thereby removing the need to dual boot. There was some discussion of the feature here:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080224-wubi-arrives-a-look-at-ubuntu-8-04-alpha-5.html
 

Deapblade

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I tried dual boot and I failed :( I have three drives in my computer, and was hoping to have a different OS on each one (each drive is different and I am cheap :p). When it comes to dual boot though, I fail. The last one I did was 3.1 & 95, and I did bad at that.

Making a dual boot installation is very easy these days. You should try the next Ubuntu installer (Ubuntu 8.04 is coming in 14 days). Also, that Ubuntu on windows installer thing (Wubi) is more for people who are interested in seeing what Ubuntu is like. Also, it must be causing some sort of performance drop, which is a shame because one of the really cool points of Linux is that it requires less from the hardware then XP and looks better then Vista.
 
yes,

the new version (hardy heron) has the ability to be installed via windows installer wubi, but i disagree that installing it to just see what it is like is the right way to go, i personally recommend booting your machine with the live CD and having a play around with that thus not needing to waste your disk space if you end up not liking it. be warned though more often than not users end up using the safe gfx mode of the live cd.

Would be interesting to see what happens to the linux community once MS releases its source ... perhaps we would see more support for games and the like without the need for wine or cedega etc etc... but also maybe an increase of security vulnerabilities as well ...

As i have said before MS have stated that currently their biggest competition is FOSS
 

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Making a dual boot installation is very easy these days. You should try the next Ubuntu installer (Ubuntu 8.04 is coming in 14 days). Also, that Ubuntu on windows installer thing (Wubi) is more for people who are interested in seeing what Ubuntu is like. Also, it must be causing some sort of performance drop, which is a shame because one of the really cool points of Linux is that it requires less from the hardware then XP and looks better then Vista.

Well, I had installed Ubuntu on a 36gb Raptor, but it wants to boot to my other XP install. Even if I disconnect my other drive and connect the 36 in it's place, it won't boot.

If I completely reformat (which I need to do really bad), how should I go about it? If possible, I want XP, Vista and Ubuntu, each on separate drives.
 

Vigil

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If I completely reformat (which I need to do really bad), how should I go about it? If possible, I want XP, Vista and Ubuntu, each on separate drives.

Microsoft's stuff likes to do its best at making sure you boot to Microsoft's stuff, and can overwrite any boot loader you put on there. Install Ubuntu lastly, tell it to write the boot loader to the primary hard drive's MBR, if it asks. It'll no doubt detect the other hard drives and operating systems and ask if you'd like to recognise them, too. Say yes and you'll be able to choose from all three when it's finished.
 

KeithZG

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Microsoft's stuff likes to do its best at making sure you boot to Microsoft's stuff, and can overwrite any boot loader you put on there. Install Ubuntu lastly, tell it to write the boot loader to the primary hard drive's MBR, if it asks. It'll no doubt detect the other hard drives and operating systems and ask if you'd like to recognise them, too. Say yes and you'll be able to choose from all three when it's finished.

Definitely good advice.

On topic here, I think we should all take a break and listen to Ryan's recent talk; it's linked to here (the ogg link is wrong, but it's here and Ryan starts talking sometime after 33 minutes in. Regardless of whether you're "grrr, why no client!?!?!1" or "stfu with teh whining" or anything inbetween or without, it's really interesting.

Microsoft's stuff likes to do its best at making sure you boot to Microsoft's stuff, and can overwrite any boot loader you put on there. Install Ubuntu lastly, tell it to write the boot loader to the primary hard drive's MBR, if it asks. It'll no doubt detect the other hard drives and operating systems and ask if you'd like to recognise them, too. Say yes and you'll be able to choose from all three when it's finished.

Definitely good advice.

On topic here, I think we should all take a break and listen to Ryan's recent talk; it's linked to here (the ogg link is wrong, but it's here and Ryan starts talking sometime after 33 minutes in. Regardless of whether you're "grrr, why no client!?!?!1" or "stfu with teh whining" or anything inbetween or without, it's really interesting.

Edit: Most provocative quote I've heard so far, it's a point that has been made before but rephrased interestingly in my opinion:
Ryan Gordon said:
We have a rough idea of the number of people who played Unreal Tournament 2004 on Linux....and we found something really alarming....the point being that you don't have to be technical to play games, you have to be technical to host a server but not to play games so you should assume that most of these people are going to be running Windows because it's the status quo, and we found that about 2% of the people were playing it on Linux, which is, I guess that's not good but it's about, it's probably better than we expected. The alarming thing is this. There was only 1% playing it on Mac OS. Now which of these things, if we are to weigh Linux and Mac OS . . . which one do people call the desktop operating system? . . . it doesn't matter what way you want to explain it away, there are more Linux desktop users than there are Mac desktop users, but one is considered by everyone from the New York Times to Wired to be a serious Desktop Operating System. And one is not considered that.

Also, more directly on topic for BeyondUnreal, apparently
Ryan (immediately afterwards) said:
Epic tried to have a policy that the Linux version of the server goes out before the game, because you want all the people that make their living hosting this game for other people and writing game servers, you want them to be prepared the day people can buy the game off the shelves. . . you don't want them to find what everyone finds when there's no Linux dedicated server for the thing, you don't want them to load up the game and find out there's nobody playing it!"
Ryan goes on, too; much of the talk is mainly interesting if you're a Linux guy, but even if you're just really interested in the behind-the-scenes stuff behind games it's pretty engrossing too.
 
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survient

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UT3 for linux was my main reason for buying the game. Yes, I am disappointed, but doesn't mean I don't play it. However it does mean I play savage 2 more often.
 

ktuluz

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UT3 for linux was my main reason for buying the game. Yes, I am disappointed, but doesn't mean I don't play it. However it does mean I play savage 2 more often.

I also paid my hard earned $$ on this game thinking " of course UT will have linux client" screwed once again by big biz, Will not be buying any more epic games... i can't just sit back anymore and get screwed.
 

Dark Pulse

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I also paid my hard earned $$ on this game thinking " of course UT will have linux client" screwed once again by big biz, Will not be buying any more epic games... i can't just sit back anymore and get screwed.
Wow, we're sorry it wasn't out immediately. May we remind you Epic is developing the game on not one, not two, not three, but FIVE different platforms?

Chill the **** out and wait. Or set up a small Windows partition. It's not like it's going to take over your system and plague everything that it touches.