HK69-A1 Iron sights

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Why can we not use the HK69 irons? They would be perfect for 50m range without having to just hip and hope. Could somebody (Beppo :) ) code the HK69 to take advantage of the irons for "closer" ranges that don't require the ladder sight?
 

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Its still distracting as hell to see with that big ass ladder site sticking up. If it was iron sited and ladder optional it would make shooting it at range more skill based and less guess based anyway. I wuold definately add the HK69 to alot of my loadouts if it were like this. OooOoooo I can just see having nade launcher with some of the loadouts I dont use on longer ranges cause of lack of nade launching capability. :)
 

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{GD}NTKB said:
If it was iron sited and ladder optional it would make shooting it at range more skill based and less guess based anyway.
If you're shooting it 'at range' without the ladder, I'd definately say you were shooting guess based.
 
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That would mean, that you would activate the laddersight by attachment key, that would mean, you could hip and aim the launcher fast, without to retract the laddersight all the time, which costs time.
 

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yurch said:
If you're shooting it 'at range' without the ladder, I'd definately say you were shooting guess based.

Either way its guessed based. Since its ranged to 100 meter increments but whose to say how far the target is from you anyway. I would just be able to use it easier with irons, like the m203. Wouldnt hurt the ladder using guys anyway since they could use there ladders if they want. I dont see how this wouldnt be a good addition to INF.
 

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{GD}NTKB said:
Either way its guessed based. Since its ranged to 100 meter increments but whose to say how far the target is from you anyway.
If you want to get technical, all measurements are guess based then. Rulers only go down to finite millimeters. Doesn't mean you shouldn't be using them.

It seems like people are forgetting that an 'irons' hk69 would basically obscure any target further than it's very small zero, and for the most part you're probably better off from the 'hip'. We can't shoot with both eyes open, so what's the point?
 

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Sooooooooooooo........


....could somebody just consider doing this please?

The irons are on the model and it probably isn't that hard to do. If I knew how, I would've just done it myself.

Maybe I'll just ask UN17, aka "The Man that fixed the Mk23" :D
 

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yurch said:
If you want to get technical, all measurements are guess based then. Rulers only go down to finite millimeters. Doesn't mean you shouldn't be using them.

It seems like people are forgetting that an 'irons' hk69 would basically obscure any target further than it's very small zero, and for the most part you're probably better off from the 'hip'. We can't shoot with both eyes open, so what's the point?

Your not making sense to counter what ive said. If you see an opponent in front of you, how do you know to use the 100 meter ladder site, or the 200, or whatever? Its just as much guess work as using iron sites. That was my point.

It is the same for the 203, you aim, point, lift and shoot. The target is obscured for the brief moment you have to lift to get the tradjectory you need. Either way it should be preferance based. I dont see why you are arguing this. Would it hurt to give people more options? I personally would get alot more use out of the HK69 if it was iron sited then it is now. I never use it now cause of the damn ladder site.
 

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{GD}NTKB said:
Your not making sense to counter what ive said. If you see an opponent in front of you, how do you know to use the 100 meter ladder site, or the 200, or whatever? Its just as much guess work as using iron sites. That was my point.

It is the same for the 203, you aim, point, lift and shoot. The target is obscured for the brief moment you have to lift to get the tradjectory you need. Either way it should be preferance based. I dont see why you are arguing this. Would it hurt to give people more options? I personally would get alot more use out of the HK69 if it was iron sited then it is now. I never use it now cause of the damn ladder site.
Exactly. I really don't see any reason for arguing against this. We just need to try and convince someone that it is worth the time to code a mutator.
 

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NTKB said:
Your not making sense to counter what ive said. If you see an opponent in front of you, how do you know to use the 100 meter ladder site, or the 200, or whatever? Its just as much guess work as using iron sites. That was my point.
Well then, if it's "just as much work", than using irons isn't suddenly easier, now is it? You still have to guess the range, now you can either do that with something with marks or something that obscures the target completely.
You start in the thread with the claim that this addition will somehow still make shooting more 'skill based' than guess based. You then reply to my post with a non sequitur that guessing target range somehow becomes easier for you because of the lack of ladder sights. If you don't have to make argumentive sense, why do I? I didn't even get a chance to introduce the complexities of quantum measurement.
keihaswarrior said:
We just need to try and convince someone that it is worth the time to code a mutator.
As far as I see it:
It won't add "skill" to shooting.
It isn't any easier.
You can already get what you want via Crowze's way, the only difference being asthetic.
It is therefore in my mind a useless option that requires far more work than it is worth. If you people got used to the FAMAS sights, why can't you get used to these?
 

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Well, Yurch, I think the arguement is that at very close range ( of course it can't be too close or the grenade wont arm ) the launcer will shoot flat enough that it is easier to hit with the iron sights than it is hipped. i.e. below 100 yards. I can see that arguement and that would be nice. But yeah, you can still use the ladder pretty much the same way. The target would be just less obscured with the iron sight.
 
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yurch said:
Well then, if it's "just as much work", than using irons isn't suddenly easier, now is it? You still have to guess the range, now you can either do that with something with marks or something that obscures the target completely.
You start in the thread with the claim that this addition will somehow still make shooting more 'skill based' than guess based. You then reply to my post with a non sequitur that guessing target range somehow becomes easier for you because of the lack of ladder sights. If you don't have to make argumentive sense, why do I? I didn't even get a chance to introduce the complexities of quantum measurement.

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yes it will be easier. I use iron sited 203 nades EASIER. IRON SITED HK69 WILL BE EASIER TOO!!! Is there anything else im not being ****ing clear about? What is the point of you arguing AGAINST THIS YURCH OTHER THAN TO ARGUE? Will you somehow ****ing benefit or take hurt to the goddamn HK69 being ironsited? The whole goddamn point of this thread was to ask people who do mutators, etc, to help us get something that would MAKE IT EASIER for US, THE NON-LEET non-ladder using people to use the goddamn HK69. I frankly dont give a rats ass about quantum measuring and when the axis of the moon aligns with jupitor you can shoot your goddamn HK69 better. For me, iron sites will be EASIER. And for Cracwhore, and for plenty of others. But god forbid Yurch doesnt see it that way, SO **** IRON SITED HK69. :mad:

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The way I see it, the forums are mainly a place to throw arguments around to convince people on the fence one way or another. That means:
1) You shouldn't be concerned if it appears just about everyone thinks a certain way.
2) You shouldn't be surprised if someone actually disagrees with you.

If I see something that I consider silly, I'm going to say so. That's the other pesky thing forums are for, opinions. I see stupid shit on these boards all the time. That doesn't mean my opinion is set in stone or that I am concerned with who puts it out. The same occurs when I see a good idea.

End of section one. Take a walk or something, online temper tantrums don't impress anyone. Old yeller was shot years ago, he had rabies too.

And as to the question of whether or not this would hurt me, I have to say, yes, it would, after some thought. Remember that 40mm mutator? An hk69 reclass would break that directly. Which does mean, of course, I'm probably the one person you should be trying to convice that this is a good idea to put in as a compatibility. Hell, I've almost convinced myself, I just don't know what key configuration to use. I do know the animations would be an utter pain in the ass.
Do more than 3 people really want this?
 

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That depends yurch.

1)What better things do you have to do?
-If "Nothing", skip to 2. If "Well, a few things, actually...." go to 3.

2)Cool, do it.

3)Oh yeah? Like what?
-If "Well....umm...RA3!!!" then go to 4. If "Weapons testing, new explosives, new tweaks to 2.9 and tons of fun things!" then stop reading.

4)Haha, yeah right. Seriously, what are you working on?
-If "I'm busy with real life right now." go to 5. if "Ok, you got me. Nothing." then go to 6.

5)Whoa, sorry I wasted your time with this "choose your adventure" post. Get back to real life.

6)Do it? Please?
-If "ok", give yourself a hug for me. If "no way", punch yourself in the dick for me.

Weeeee :D
 

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[QUOTE='I always end up skipping to the end anyway...]6)Do it? Please?
-If "ok", give yourself a hug for me. If "no way", punch yourself in the dick for me.[/QUOTE]
Can I do both?
 

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I guess....


If you're into punching your genitals, that's cool with me...as long as I get those irons.... :lol:


...weirdo.... ;)