Why can we not use the HK69 irons? They would be perfect for 50m range without having to just hip and hope. Could somebody (Beppo ) code the HK69 to take advantage of the irons for "closer" ranges that don't require the ladder sight?
If you're shooting it 'at range' without the ladder, I'd definately say you were shooting guess based.{GD}NTKB said:If it was iron sited and ladder optional it would make shooting it at range more skill based and less guess based anyway.
yurch said:If you're shooting it 'at range' without the ladder, I'd definately say you were shooting guess based.
If you want to get technical, all measurements are guess based then. Rulers only go down to finite millimeters. Doesn't mean you shouldn't be using them.{GD}NTKB said:Either way its guessed based. Since its ranged to 100 meter increments but whose to say how far the target is from you anyway.
yurch said:If you want to get technical, all measurements are guess based then. Rulers only go down to finite millimeters. Doesn't mean you shouldn't be using them.
It seems like people are forgetting that an 'irons' hk69 would basically obscure any target further than it's very small zero, and for the most part you're probably better off from the 'hip'. We can't shoot with both eyes open, so what's the point?
Exactly. I really don't see any reason for arguing against this. We just need to try and convince someone that it is worth the time to code a mutator.{GD}NTKB said:Your not making sense to counter what ive said. If you see an opponent in front of you, how do you know to use the 100 meter ladder site, or the 200, or whatever? Its just as much guess work as using iron sites. That was my point.
It is the same for the 203, you aim, point, lift and shoot. The target is obscured for the brief moment you have to lift to get the tradjectory you need. Either way it should be preferance based. I dont see why you are arguing this. Would it hurt to give people more options? I personally would get alot more use out of the HK69 if it was iron sited then it is now. I never use it now cause of the damn ladder site.
Well then, if it's "just as much work", than using irons isn't suddenly easier, now is it? You still have to guess the range, now you can either do that with something with marks or something that obscures the target completely.NTKB said:Your not making sense to counter what ive said. If you see an opponent in front of you, how do you know to use the 100 meter ladder site, or the 200, or whatever? Its just as much guess work as using iron sites. That was my point.
As far as I see it:keihaswarrior said:We just need to try and convince someone that it is worth the time to code a mutator.
yurch said:Well then, if it's "just as much work", than using irons isn't suddenly easier, now is it? You still have to guess the range, now you can either do that with something with marks or something that obscures the target completely.
You start in the thread with the claim that this addition will somehow still make shooting more 'skill based' than guess based. You then reply to my post with a non sequitur that guessing target range somehow becomes easier for you because of the lack of ladder sights. If you don't have to make argumentive sense, why do I? I didn't even get a chance to introduce the complexities of quantum measurement.