Future of the SIG

[Spier]

Not yet convinced entirely on the abilities of the AR15 series, remember Jessica Lynch and co. where practically all the rifles jammed?

 

[Gnam]

I doubt duplex mags will happen in Inf any time soon. Usually if someone brings up duplex mags the team shoots it down pretty quickly, and the few duplex threads that managed to grow into anything turned into big arguments. I guess someone could make a mutator...

Olethros is making a mag check mutator, so the 'clear mag' feature could work. However, remember, the clear mags and the sights are really the only distinctions the 551 bears over the M4. I just think it could only help to increase those features by switching to a 550 or 552. What is there to lose?

 

[Arethusa]

I'm not saying you should be convinced; just saying that it's kind of hard to draw conclusions either way. Reportedly, their rifles jammed because of extreme lack of maintenance. They weren't exactly a combat unit, after all.

 

[Meplat]

Spier- Umm, AK's jam in the same environments. SMLE's jammed in those environs. When the only effective weapon is bladed, it's tough to damn a mechanical one.

As an aside, I won more than a few bets that my AR-15 could operate with a handful of Arizona dirt, and one pull on the charging handle.

Meplat-

 

[Zundfolge]

As such, I'd rather the SIG stayed in, although I'd prefer the 550 or 552 to the 551. - As reliable as an AK, only sexier and accurate as hell.

Thats because in essence the Sig 550 IS an AK


And don't buy the negative press about the AR15/M16 et al ... those relialibity issues really only apply to the original M16 ... most of the problems where fixed on the M16A1. The AR15/M16 line of guns has had a lot of years of tweaking put into them, they are quite a reliable weapon.

 

[SaraP]

Not yet convinced entirely on the abilities of the AR15 series, remember Jessica Lynch and co. where practically all the rifles jammed?

Lynch didn't fire a single shot; she got knocked out when her Hummer crashed.

 

[ecale3]

a true american hero [/sarcasm]

 

[Mappie]

Is it just me, or does the SIG seem to have more recoil than the M16 in INF? That alone makes it different enough to keep it in game. The way the rifle handles.

 

[ecale3]

it is lighter and shorter IIRC, which could cause more muzzle "flip"

 

[Bushwack]

I'm real interested in what they accomplish as far as recoil simulation on the next engine, because last time i fired one of my assault rifles on full auto, i didnt hinge at the waist and spin up to shoot pidgeons
But then again, im 5'6" 240LBs too

 

[AlmostAlive]

The SIG has always been one of my favourites on medium/long range maps. I'd hate to see it go.

 

[Gnam]

Is it just me, or does the SIG seem to have more recoil than the M16 in INF? That alone makes it different enough to keep it in game. The way the rifle handles.

Yeah, because it's smaller and lighter. But we're compairing the it to the M4 not the M16. The M4 will probably have about the same recoil as the SIG being about the same size.

 

[Arethusa]

I just want to clear this up: is increased recoil for smaller size weapons (eg sawed off shotgun as opposed to full size shotgun) just due to less inertia on the part of the weapon, or is there something I'm overlooking? I don't really have much knowledge of ballistics engineering.

 

[keihaswarrior]

The shorter weapons often lack any kind of recoil damping spring in the stock. This makes the felt recoil higher.

 

[Meplat]

"The shorter weapons often lack any kind of recoil damping spring in the stock. This makes the felt recoil higher."

Huh?

Having the spring concentric with the gas piston, or having it inline will have little effect upon felt recoil. A FAL 50.00 will seem to kick less than the 50.63 because of the stock design, not the location of the recoil/action spring.

Meplat-

 

[Arethusa]

Specifically, in the example of a full size, breech loading, side-by-side shotgun, the difference in felt recoil is purely a result of weapon inertia and shooting stance. Or, at least, I'm fairly sure, but having never fired a weapon, much less handled one, I'm just checking to make sure I haven't overlooked something.

 

[Meplat]

Arethusa- Basically.

Heavy gun+ large buttplate surface area= Less felt recoil. (compared to a similar weapon, weighing less OR posessing a lesser buttplate surface area)

All recoil dampening devices work on either slowing the application of the felt recoil across a longer timespan (the total force applied is the same, just over a longer time period) OR, by adding a moveable mass dampener, similar to the mercury filled "Dead Mule" style .

I can take two near identical firearms, weighing the same, firing the same load from identical actions. One will kick the hell out of you, the other is very plesant to fire. Why? Stock design.

Meplat-

 

[Rostam]

Arethusa I think it's basic physics. If you drive a car with a big steer you will have to turn the steer more for the same corner than if you would have had a small steer.

 

[Gnam]

There is also the simple effects of weight and gravity on muzzle climb. An M60 is going to jump less than an M14 because it's simply much heavier and harder to move. I don't know what it feels like to fire an M60 (the only automatic weapons I've fired are SMGs) but most people will tell you it is more controllable than smaller 7.62 NATO weapons.