DTASAL scoring system explained!

[geogob]

And a question on the 'timeframe' of the battles: More or less, the 'empire' that will win this will be the one made up of people that don't have jobs / school? From what I understand, you have to fight, basically, right after they challange your city?

Well, that's awesome for those of us that work all week or attend classes.

That's my major turnoff on this league too.
Add into this community involvement (in mod team or other), clan trainings, clan events, etc. Also i'm sure some of us have other activities likes sports and so on (I hope at least...). Plus having EU and NA teams means that most matches *must* be played during the day. Well that gives us 2 days in the week where we can play.... Sunday and Saturday.

I am currently pondering all this and will perhaps suggest to my teammates that we enter as a mercenery team. I'm sure most of them are not willing to spend 6+ hours on "a fun simply league". I have not decided yet, but my mind is going in that direction.

Now what will happen if other teams think the same way too? It would be rather disapointing to have 2 empires, 4 merceneries and 1 patriots teams..... Ok, that's a worst case scenario and I doupt it will happen, but...

The basic idea is good, but you have to find a way to organise it so it is less time consuming for everyone.

At the beginning, when you announced this I just thought it would be the kind of informal league, where you have teams that gives challenges to each other. Like you have a challenge forum... you go in and say something "MDC looking for an oponent, saturday, 2100 EST. Anyone up? time negociable". You play the match and have fun. Nothing complicated. No competitive pressure "à-la-ILCR". Maybe I did not interpret your initial announcent correctly (because yes, there was a good part of interpretation in what I thought DTASAL would be). It sounds more like a DTASFC (DTAS Full Campaign) or something than an Action League.

 

[frenchfrog]

First, this is complicated and I think will face the same problems IGL faced.

So here we go for the pointless rules details:

They will then play 7 rounds of each of the 3 maps.

Why not playing 2 maps and only play the third if the score of the 2 first maps is tied. Defenders could choose the 2 first maps to be played (or attackers). Also, there is the problem of who play DTAS flag defender first on the third map.

I am thinking of capping the max attacks on a single city for a round (1 week) at 1 attacks. Whoever issues the challenge first and gets a response will be the one who gets the chance.

I really don't like this idea of first response, get it. The reason being this is you will have to rush to issue your order of attack at "0001 Sunday" which depending of your timezone could be in the middle of the night. All the combat process should be deterministic, nothing left to chance.

-Could a empire start with 8 players and then split to form an aux team?

-The number of alliance should be retricted (2 or 3).

(I'm sure that if I dig the IGL web site all those topics have already been discussed)

 

[Falke]

Can't we have a simple DTAS League with a ladder based scoring system?

 

[Turin_Turambar]

I am amazed.

Why all this stuff, only to play a ****ing 3 vs 3 tdmish dtas?? O_O
I would simply make every team to play with all the other teams 2 times in each map (depending of the amout of maps and teams). Or something.

Of course, it's only the opinion of a non-player of this future league.

 

[ant75]

At the beginning, when you announced this I just thought it would be the kind of informal league, where you have teams that gives challenges to each other. Like you have a challenge forum... you go in and say something "MDC looking for an oponent, saturday, 2100 EST. Anyone up? time negociable". You play the match and have fun. Nothing complicated. No competitive pressure "à-la-ILCR". Maybe I did not interpret your initial announcent correctly (because yes, there was a good part of interpretation in what I thought DTASAL would be). It sounds more like a DTASFC (DTAS Full Campaign) or something than an Action League.

I think i was mislead in the same way too.

 

[{GD}Shmoo]

NT put this out on the table to first of all get things moving but also to get the communities opinion on what they would like to see. If you do not like the proposal, fine do not whine about it unless you offer suggestions on what you think would be fun but also not get boring after a month. I am glad to see so many of you giving you opinions (even if negative) and offering ideas.

IMHO - a ladder system would get boring fast, just another version of the ILCR in a smaller scale. I would like to see something between a ladder and the IGL something with objectives and I like the idea of mercs and patriots because it gives the people who do not have the time the opportunity to play without being pressured by being on a team.

Again thanks to all you offer your suggestions and keep them coming, this is a community effort and we want a event that most (since you cannot please everyone) can enjoy.

 

[NTKB]

Fine you guys want a ****in ladder ill give you one

At least lets see what the majority think. Since I do feel I may have mounted more than some people can chew, although I still hold to this minute that this is pretty easy rules, I will call a vote again. I thought my idea would be very fun and allow anyone with time constraints like geo said to get involved. But since it appears that is not the case ill hold a vote. But let me warn you this.... a ladder league will do more to less skilled players than any of my ideas. If you suck, you will NOT enjoy this league. Sigh... Ah well at least the better players will have fun. Shmoo hold off on any further work on the website that relates to this idea.

 

[Bushwack]

So its now exclusively a 'better players' game/league eh?

i think there are far more people who havent played enough INF in recent times that would constitute your definition of "you suck" than people you would term "better players".
Wheres the fun in that? INF on a server brings everyone together of all skill levels, leagues should be the same.
Your scoring system, while i understand it, immediately turns me off of ever wanting to play or be a part of a team, its needlessly complicated, fun isnt fun if you have to remember 750 rules in order to play legally, let alone the fact that your rules more or less rule out players like me with full time jobs and kids/family.
Your asking people in clans {which arent active anymore as far as competition goes} and clanless people to manage to get together on some kind of schedule thats time dependant and then compete according to your preset series of rules, somewhat complicated rules for some people, and then pull forth the desire to stay with it and compete until the end fruition of this league?? Wishful thinkin bubba

BTW good luck...

Id rather have seen someone do something to encourage a full server for every night of the week in some way than this kind of league thing you've come up with, its a good idea on paper, dont get me wrong and i aint knockin you for it, it just seems a little too complicated to bother with, and i play regularly even.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Pipe_Dream]

man, can you translate it into a short paragraph? That's a lot of stuff to think about

 

[NTKB]

So its now exclusively a 'better players' game/league eh?

i think there are far more people who havent played enough INF in recent times that would constitute your definition of "you suck" than people you would term "better players".
Wheres the fun in that? INF on a server brings everyone together of all skill levels, leagues should be the same.
Your scoring system, while i understand it, immediately turns me off of ever wanting to play or be a part of a team, its needlessly complicated, fun isnt fun if you have to remember 750 rules in order to play legally, let alone the fact that your rules more or less rule out players like me with full time jobs and kids/family.
Your asking people in clans {which arent active anymore as far as competition goes} and clanless people to manage to get together on some kind of schedule thats time dependant and then compete according to your preset series of rules, somewhat complicated rules for some people, and then pull forth the desire to stay with it and compete until the end fruition of this league?? Wishful thinkin bubba

BTW good luck...

Id rather have seen someone do something to encourage a full server for every night of the week in some way than this kind of league thing you've come up with, its a good idea on paper, dont get me wrong and i aint knockin you for it, it just seems a little too complicated to bother with, and i play regularly even.

Just my 2 cents.

My comments were towards the ladder. Since usually less skilled teams are wiped out fast and left to hold there cocks instead of play for the rest of the season.

I dont see how there are 'so many rules." Alls you do is issue a challenge and follow the match schedule. Oooo so it requires you to actually organize yourself instead of having some committee telling you when to fight. I fail to see how anyone who understands this finds it complex. Maybe its just me... Oh well the vote will tell what kind of league this will be anyway. As for your comment of being a father/brother/worker etc not having time you can still participate. How can you NOT participate? If you cant dedicate at least 1.5 hours a week to play a single match as a merc, then you dont even play INF so who cares?

 

[Bushwack]

.....useless banter about how youre right and im wrong........If you cant dedicate at least 1.5 hours a week to play a single match as a merc, then you dont even play INF so who cares?

and then you had to go there..... yeah your right, i dont play at all, so why would i bother?

 

[AlmostAlive]

I don't think that was meant as an attack on you. I think what he was trying to say that, on a general basis, if you don't have 1,5 hours to set aside for gaming, maybe this league isn't for you.

Now, as for the rules and all that, my opinion is that it might be time for the organizers to say "Enough. This is how we play it". If that proves too much to handle for the majority, then so be it. Maybe the timing just wasn't right.

We have proven once again that we can't agree on anything and unless someone steps up and takes charge, I'm afraid this will die a slow and painful death. You can't please everyone no matter how hard you try.

Edited for spelling

 

[[C22]-Mort]

Whilst I don't think this idea is overly complicated I think it requires a LOT more manpower, to be played to it's fullest potential, than any other type of league and that's something that is in short supply at the moment.

There are other simpler solutions that require fewer players each week and have a faster turn-around!

An on-going "king-of-the-hill" competition where the current "Kings" take challenges on their favourite map until beaten, then the winners choose their favourite map and accept challengers, team can be made up of ANY available players....the only team that has to stay the same is the current "kings".

Obviously there would be rules governing the minimum/maximum challenges that have to be met within a given time-scale.

That's just ONE option that only requires 2 teams at any given point!

 

[NTKB]

Bushwack before you burst a vein in your forhead robbing us of your supreme eloquence (JOKE MAN JOKE), please realize I was speaking in general and not specifically towards you. Calm down...

Again I see people who are thinking negatively. I can adjust the amount of citys depending on the amount of players. This game can be sized according to the participants. PLEASE PLEASE instead of arguiing against or complaining about the league, play in it. YOu will promote the game we all love and newbies who come may be curious and wish to join in! I think with at LEAST 30 people we can do this. I know for a FACT more than that know or are interested in this. So PLEASE sign up when you get a chance, even if you cant be a full fledged empire.

 

[geogob]

mmmm NT...

All challenges must be issued from 0001 Sunday to 2399 monday. Responses must be answered by 2399 Saturday.

don't you mean from 0000 Sunday to 2359 Monday, and to 2359 Saturday (I mean, last time I checked there is 60 minutes in one hours ).

Also, is that UTC time?

 

[NTKB]

Can an admin PLEASE close this thread its no longer functional since the DTASAL campaign rules have changed.

 

[geogob]

Can an admin PLEASE close this thread its no longer functional since the DTASAL campaign rules have changed.

fuck NT! I just finished translating them in French...


grrr I wasted my morning.

 

[Pipe_Dream]

would you post the French version? I would like to double check it for errors

 

[geogob]

I could double check your signature for BB code errors too

 

[NTKB]

omfg so sorry geo I feel like **** now. I cant believe I forgot to tell you. Sigh. Sorry man.