Death and Black Metal Thread: Resurrection
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Going to finally see Carcass on the 27th of this month. What 20 years after first hearing them? Wow, I can't wait. Plus they are with Suffocation, that no doubt ads to the bill. Their first album Human Waste is a classic.
Armon Amarth is also coming and Mastodon. Good grief, expensive month for shows.
Armon Amarth is also coming and Mastodon. Good grief, expensive month for shows.
i wrote an album review if anyone is interested
http://www.last.fm/user/tomcatha/journal/2009/03/13/2ka910_a_litany_of_riffs <--- if anyone is interested
http://www.last.fm/user/tomcatha/journal/2009/03/13/2ka910_a_litany_of_riffs <--- if anyone is interested
Cool. I wish I'd take the time to write some reviews. I think they could be quite beneficial...
Very informative, by the way.
So, I'm asking for a quick Death Met0lz 101 here.
I just recently got together with some ex bandmates to jam a bit and see what kind of own material we could come up with.
Thing is, both the bass player and drummer are big fans of deathmetal, and I know jack all about it. Needless to say, all I could throw over the blast beats were a couple of progrock/metal riffs that sounded too 'weak'.
I love Opeth but am not sure if it's really death, and I know some big names from the genre but can't connect any music to them. Also, I've noticed a lot of songs are written in diminished scale.
Are there any songs and/or acts in general that really define deathmetal or are really masterpieces within the genre? And I don't mean your personal favorite at the moment, I mean songs that would define death metal to me within one listening. Just so I know what kind of stuff to play next time.
Thanks in advance.
I just recently got together with some ex bandmates to jam a bit and see what kind of own material we could come up with.
Thing is, both the bass player and drummer are big fans of deathmetal, and I know jack all about it. Needless to say, all I could throw over the blast beats were a couple of progrock/metal riffs that sounded too 'weak'.
I love Opeth but am not sure if it's really death, and I know some big names from the genre but can't connect any music to them. Also, I've noticed a lot of songs are written in diminished scale.
Are there any songs and/or acts in general that really define deathmetal or are really masterpieces within the genre? And I don't mean your personal favorite at the moment, I mean songs that would define death metal to me within one listening. Just so I know what kind of stuff to play next time.
Thanks in advance.
Well what kind of death metal fans are they? Are they fans of the old school kind or the more recent deathcore, brutal death or technical death kind?
Older opeth material is a good example of progressive death metal. However they gradually drifted away from death metal and became something that is not really death.
First there is the wondrous website metal archives: http://www.metal-archives.com/
Feel free to get on the forum and check the threads about the different kinds of metal.
To really begin getting in touch with death metal you also need to start the beginning. I think you know deep purple, black sabbath and iron maiden but the first real step was done by venom Also called the first extreme metal band. Venom were very important in creating thrash and eventually death and black metal.
The next important band is Celtic Frost They were important in the development of the new vocal style and riffing. Other good examples of this era are Slayer and Kreator
Following celtic frost and other early thrash bands in 1985 the first more death metal than thrash album was released, Seven Churches by Possessed. Their later work was more heavy thrash.
However possessed were still clearly very thrashy. A couple of the major bands that caused the definite split of death from thrash were Death, Morbid Angel, Obituary and Master. Around 89 the basic form of old school floridan death metal was set. Ofcourse the development didnt end there but continued both in the US and other places all over the world.
The most important country for death metal together with the US is arguably Sweden. For such a little country Sweden produced tons and tons of death metal bands with its own style. simply named Swedish death metal. It differs from other scenes mostly in being more melodic and more crust punk influenced. The most important of these were Nihilist which then changed into Entombed Dismember Unleashed and Grave
Death metal quikly diversed into a couple of extra ways of playing. These are being Grindcore influenced: Napalm death. Brutal death metal: Suffocation and Technical: Hellwitch and Disincarnate
This was all during the prime period of classic death metal from 1989 till around 94. After 1994 the death metal scene sort of collapsed in popularity, especially in the US.
However innovation in the genre didnt stop there. Sweden went on to produce more melodic death metal like At The Gates and In Flames
In other countries avant garde death metal came up with for example the classic Obscura by Gorguts and Nespithe by Demilich. However more during the same time also more "conventional" progressive death metal came up like Opeth.
Death metal however still used to be kinda just crawling allong except for a few excellent releases. However from about 1998 the genre started getting back in strength. Melodic death metal exploded in world wide popularity. Technical death metal got gradually more and more popular especially of the extra technical kind like Necrophagist and Origin and more brutal death, about which i dont know much in its modern form.
The latest development in this genre is Deathcore. Which basically is metalcore with less melodic death influence but with more normal especially brutal death influence. Quite allot of fans of the older kinds of death metal dont like deathcore at all(me being one of them) but key examples of this genre are Despised Icon and Job for a Cowboy
That is about it.
Older opeth material is a good example of progressive death metal. However they gradually drifted away from death metal and became something that is not really death.
First there is the wondrous website metal archives: http://www.metal-archives.com/
Feel free to get on the forum and check the threads about the different kinds of metal.
To really begin getting in touch with death metal you also need to start the beginning. I think you know deep purple, black sabbath and iron maiden but the first real step was done by venom Also called the first extreme metal band. Venom were very important in creating thrash and eventually death and black metal.
The next important band is Celtic Frost They were important in the development of the new vocal style and riffing. Other good examples of this era are Slayer and Kreator
Following celtic frost and other early thrash bands in 1985 the first more death metal than thrash album was released, Seven Churches by Possessed. Their later work was more heavy thrash.
However possessed were still clearly very thrashy. A couple of the major bands that caused the definite split of death from thrash were Death, Morbid Angel, Obituary and Master. Around 89 the basic form of old school floridan death metal was set. Ofcourse the development didnt end there but continued both in the US and other places all over the world.
The most important country for death metal together with the US is arguably Sweden. For such a little country Sweden produced tons and tons of death metal bands with its own style. simply named Swedish death metal. It differs from other scenes mostly in being more melodic and more crust punk influenced. The most important of these were Nihilist which then changed into Entombed Dismember Unleashed and Grave
Death metal quikly diversed into a couple of extra ways of playing. These are being Grindcore influenced: Napalm death. Brutal death metal: Suffocation and Technical: Hellwitch and Disincarnate
This was all during the prime period of classic death metal from 1989 till around 94. After 1994 the death metal scene sort of collapsed in popularity, especially in the US.
However innovation in the genre didnt stop there. Sweden went on to produce more melodic death metal like At The Gates and In Flames
In other countries avant garde death metal came up with for example the classic Obscura by Gorguts and Nespithe by Demilich. However more during the same time also more "conventional" progressive death metal came up like Opeth.
Death metal however still used to be kinda just crawling allong except for a few excellent releases. However from about 1998 the genre started getting back in strength. Melodic death metal exploded in world wide popularity. Technical death metal got gradually more and more popular especially of the extra technical kind like Necrophagist and Origin and more brutal death, about which i dont know much in its modern form.
The latest development in this genre is Deathcore. Which basically is metalcore with less melodic death influence but with more normal especially brutal death influence. Quite allot of fans of the older kinds of death metal dont like deathcore at all(me being one of them) but key examples of this genre are Despised Icon and Job for a Cowboy
That is about it.
Sweet man, Guardians of Asgaard is one of my favourites.
But I know what you mean how alot of their material sounds the same, but it's not all that much of a bad thing.
Well summarized. :tup:
Anyone else here like Cannabis Corpse?
I think the parody is quite funny, even if it is at the same time dumb. Plus they play really well.
Thoughts?
Better than the original.
Cannibal Corpse itself is just too generic imo.
The new Cannibal Corpse CD in my opinion isn't that good. It seemed so slowed down that I couldn't stand it. Is it just me or is that a normal reaction to it?
I like 'em; Eaten Back to Life, Bloodthirsty, Kill...all quality albums in my opinion. I have always held a certain place for 'em in my heart.
Or something.
Either way, they're cool. They have some meh albums, but they're good in shots. Plus they're TEH BR00TALZ and stuff.
But yeah. I've heard a lot of death metal in my life now, and I still love 'em. So no, I don't think they're too generic...when I hear 'em, I know it's them.
But yeah, the fanboys suck.
They're just good, not GOD.
Or something.
Either way, they're cool. They have some meh albums, but they're good in shots. Plus they're TEH BR00TALZ and stuff.
But yeah. I've heard a lot of death metal in my life now, and I still love 'em. So no, I don't think they're too generic...when I hear 'em, I know it's them.
But yeah, the fanboys suck.
They're just good, not GOD.
So...
I really gotta flaunt this find. If anyone's into doom metal, this is a great band.
MOOGLE REC
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=13927
Scald...great Russian doom right there. Only released one full-length, but f*ck me if it isn't fantastic. The guitars are intense, the drumming tight, the bass grooving, and the vocals are gorgeous. Everything about this band and their album kicks ass.
If you're into doom metal, Russian bands, or Moogle Recs, get this one. I guarantee you won't be disappointed.
Many doom metal advocates rate this thing very high, as do I.
Enjoy.
I really gotta flaunt this find. If anyone's into doom metal, this is a great band.
MOOGLE REC
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=13927
Scald...great Russian doom right there. Only released one full-length, but f*ck me if it isn't fantastic. The guitars are intense, the drumming tight, the bass grooving, and the vocals are gorgeous. Everything about this band and their album kicks ass.
If you're into doom metal, Russian bands, or Moogle Recs, get this one. I guarantee you won't be disappointed.
Many doom metal advocates rate this thing very high, as do I.
Enjoy.
Scald is a really good Bathory/Candlemass esque band. There are quite a lot of good Eastern European bands that have stayed under the radar.
RIP Miika Tenkula
RIP Miika Tenkula