Comments and Scores

[Hourences]

they already can post only 1
thing is everyone deletes his own post all the time and then posting new one at bottom

even on a forum you cant do something like that

 

[Ironblayde]

I'm hesitant to support limited editing of comments since not everyone who performs multiple edits does so with poor intentions. I know there have been plenty of times where I remember something that slipped my mind after making a comment, or want to go back and make spelling or grammatical fixes. It seems to me that no matter what we do with the comment system, there will always be the potential for abuse. Clearly, the solution is that NaliCity must hire a team of ninjas and send them after mappers who abuse its services.

 

[[Bean]]

sorry, i meant to type in 2-3.

maybe 2 posts, and a 6-12 hr window to edit them. no ability to delete them. if a comment REALLY needs to be deleted they can contact NC?

 

[Hourences]

yeah a time limit could work
but there is indeed always space for abuse

btw bean, as people prolly asked you a lot already but what happened to leveldesigner com ?

 

[MassChAoS]

Incorporating multiple ideas here... how about a 6hr time limit: if you edit a post, you cannot edit it for 6 hours thereafter; if you delete a comment, you cannot add a comment for 6 hours thereafter.

 

[[Bean]]

Hourences:
Tomasz handles the server side and i havent been able to get in touch with him. not sure what's going on. :/

 

[AMmayhem]

Incorporating multiple ideas here... how about a 6hr time limit: if you edit a post, you cannot edit it for 6 hours thereafter; if you delete a comment, you cannot add a comment for 6 hours thereafter.

Now, would it be that they couldn't comment on the same map for 6 hours, or any map? It would be pretty annoying having deleted a post, and then wait 6 hours to post comments on other maps that you've played. But then I suppose they could delete stuff at the end of their "commenting spree."

 

[Hourences]

only limit on editting/commenting on that specific map, not for site in general or the other maps if you know what i mean
else no one posts anything anymore

 

[darth_weasel]

i dont see that helping the problem, since the people that will edit their comments wont be checking every 5 mins, theyll only be checking less often than every 6 hours to see if there are new comments to reply to

i dont see it getting around the "problem". another idea might be to just move the discussion out of the comments section and into the forums, maybe put a link at the bottom of every comments page linking to the user reviews forum saying if you want to discuss the map take it there, keep comments for comments not discussion. if you done that you could pretty much just put a 1 edit limit on it for people to correct typos but any further garbage they'd take to the forum thats for that.

 

[AMmayhem]

I like darth_weasel's suggestion best now.

 

[Hourences]

the comments must be visible on the map page itself, and not trough a second click
thats just stupid, its like those sites WELCOME TO MY SH1T MAP PAGE, CLICK TO ENTER
second useless click

it would be great if the forum could get integrated in there, or in a simpler form but it should stay on the position where it is now


you can always abuse it, but in the first place i would put a time limit on deletion of own messages, its just stupid that some guy posted a msg, and suddenly 3 days later its gone while other people may have replied to it
or they start flaming us OMG NC DELETES COMMENTSD PGAGHAGDSS

or to counter this editting of messages to change your own argument in a discussion, like this phraze guy did, we can put a line in the msg "last editted on blabla 12.45"
so that he cant claim "i didnt say that and i didnt edit my msg"

 

[darth_weasel]

the comments must be visible on the map page itself, and not trough a second click
thats just stupid, its like those sites WELCOME TO MY SH1T MAP PAGE, CLICK TO ENTER
second useless click

i didnt mean to replace the comments, i mean just put a link at the bottom of the comments to the user reviews, saying if you want a discussion start a thread on it there, keep comments to what they should be.

 

[Hourences]

maybe but on the other hand it will split things up, creating 2 groups and stuff
it should be concentrated on 1 spot
itll all get complicated and too extended else imo
if you spread something out it will get thinner

 

[MassChAoS]

I think Hour's suggestion is good.

IE, This message last edited at @ time
and
This message deleted by the author
or
This message deleted by admin

 

[Manticore]

Probably right....

I'm hesitant to support limited editing of comments since not everyone who performs multiple edits does so with poor intentions. I know there have been plenty of times where I remember something that slipped my mind after making a comment, or want to go back and make spelling or grammatical fixes. It seems to me that no matter what we do with the comment system, there will always be the potential for abuse. Clearly, the solution is that NaliCity must hire a team of ninjas and send them after mappers who abuse its services.

I think that given the way people react when someone, of their own opinion, makes a comment nothing will change because there is not a team of ninja's available (unfortunately).

Obviously you will never be able to police the situation and I'm still struggling with this whole business of whether to leave a rating at all. Just check the submitted content for today and yesterday re: comments and ratings. I can live with my opinions and I do edit afterwards (mainly because of syntax and spelling) but other people can't and don't want to live and let live.

As usual it's all "I'm right so your opinion is wrong". I wouldn't expect any change in that pattern of behaviour in the future. It's just not in human nature to accept any criticism, constructive or otherwise.

So again you end up with the situation where mappers get offended by user comments, they add retaliatory comments and their friends screw with the ratings system.

Obviously, you make one map and you are a real pro.... (laughter).

Perhaps if and when a map has been formally reviewed any outrageous ratings outside of a mean based on the reviewr's rating could be reported to the admins. for some type of moderation.

Quite frankly I'm really getting over it. I'm seriously considering just downloading and not commenting or rating. (I'm sure that will please many!) On one hand this might be merciful on the mappers; on the other hand maybe there is no sense of community spirit if you don't, ahem, "share" it with others.

I dunno......

 

[Manticore]

Or.............

Personally id like it for authors not to be able to comment on their own maps, as much as it might annoy them. Nothing worse than someone who insists on relpying to every slight critisicm of their maps.

Link the comments page to a start thread or existing thread in the forums/user reviews (this has been mentioned)....

..but also....

...........formally restrict the length of comments (yes, that includes my comments?!?!?!?!) on the map page to so many characters or words equivalent to one paragraph; or whatever. (I don't know if that has been mentioned, I'm starting to lose track of this thread).....

 

[MassChAoS]

I don't think any of the above mentioned ideas would absolutely fix the intended problem. A combination of the above mentioned ideas might help deter but will not stop the problemsome comments. Thats the best we can hope for, however, I'd rather not implement something that doesn't help deter. For example, limiting the comment length will not deter for any reason and some users will actually post more than one paragraph of constructive criticism of the map. On the other hand, requiring a minimum will get rid of these short useless comments like "Good" and "Sexy" and should pose no problems when implemented.

In reguards to the linked thread no replacing comments: If its not replacing them, then there is nothing forcing users to move "discussions" to the thread. They may not even bother to check the thread for something that has already been mentioned. If the thread replaced comments, then that would be a real burden for users without forum logins. Overall, doesn't help other than physically moving the location of the problem.

The two ideas I find worth implementing would be
1) time restrictions... at least the limit on adding a comment to the same map the user just deleted a comment from. At most, limit on editing the same comment after a comment has been edited.
2) the messages detailing user/admin actions. For example, This message was edited by the user. or This message was deleted by the user. or This message was deleted by an admin.

More discussion welcomed.

 

[darth_weasel]

In reguards to the linked thread no replacing comments: If its not replacing them, then there is nothing forcing users to move "discussions" to the thread. They may not even bother to check the thread for something that has already been mentioned. If the thread replaced comments, then that would be a real burden for users without forum logins. Overall, doesn't help other than physically moving the location of the problem.

well like i said, you could add that then put the 1 edit limit on. i dont see it as a "problem" if it moves to the forums, i mean they are there for discussion (and pretty dead).

 

[AMmayhem]

I'm still siding with darth on this. Have the comments be what they are. "Great map, this was cool," or "Had some flaws, but worth a download." But still have the link available to go to the User Review forums, so someone could start up a thread if they wanted. That's what the forum is for, and yes it is available now to people, but an extra link won't hurt, and most likely liven things up.

If there is a way, it would be cool to see the link take you to the forum, so one can start a thread, and once it's started, have the link changed on the map page to that exact thread or something...

 

[Hourences]

giving more links to forum and stimulate people to use it more would be really nice but it shouldnt be anything more then just a link, just an extra and i no way a "if you want this or that then use this, else use comments"