Why in instant action if my default team is red does betrayal keep starting me on the blue team? Other team gametypes start me out on red all the time.
Betrayal blue team?
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Teams are dynamic in Betrayal. So, for each person, your team will appear blue to you, but to anyone not on your team they have the default skin (not blue or red). Once you betray your team, everyone appears with a default skin until you're reassigned a team, which will then appear blue, but only to those on that team.
That's not dynamic if your team always appears blue. Also, I'm not sure the point of this game type. Why not just frag everyone and get all the points?
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I think he means the blue team itself is dynamic: it follows you. It's like in America's Army, where you're always on the army's side, no matter which side you join.
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Your team always appears blue so that you have a pot to work towards. Anytime anyone on your team gets a kill, it adds one point to the pot. When someone on your team betrays another person on your team, they take all the points in the pot, the team is broken, and the person who was betrayed has roughly 30 seconds to kill the person who betrayed the team. If they do, they also earn the number of points that the betrayer took, I think.
So the trick is to kill people to build up the pot, and then when the pot is high, betray your team for the points in the pot and then avoid being killed by the person you betrayed.
So why don't they assign the default betrayal team the same as your player's team in the INI files? I'm sure it was very simple to do. If your player doesn't have a team assigned, then all bets are off but I just like being on the red team.
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Probably because blue is easier to see than red?
Either way, does this really matter all that much? You could probably make a mutator to turn them Magenta if you wanted to. Then it'd be like BRIGHTSKINZ!!!
It matters because I play offline most of the time and for all the other team game types my team is red, but this one can't be set to red. It's would be OK if I played online most of the time because you're always switching teams, but it just seems like another case of the offline players getting screwed. Of course, it's a minor point but it still was overlooked.
It is already like Brightskinz because the skins in Betrayal aren't teamskins at all (due to memory-usage that would be too high when having real skins loaded (the same reason as for Demoguy)) but some funny glowing stuff.
If you would play it online you would realize that this is the way it is played, due to broken gamerules. It is some gimmicky stuff (like most of the Titan Pack) that isn't thought out til the end for lasting fun but only for a few days because, well, it is new and gimmicky stuff.
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Betrayal uses the blue team because otherwise when you use right click you'd just be shooting out yet another red beam. In other words, it gives visual feedback on why using primary and alt fire is different in Betrayal.
You still dont tell us why it matters. There is only one team in betrayal: Yours. It doesn't matter what color it is. It doesn't affect any other game type, either. Once your next non betrayal game starts, back to red you go. You get put on blue because
1) red team does not exist
2) because the "attack enemy" beam is red and the "attack friend " beam is blue. If these colors were dynamic (e.g. attack beam is red if your team is red), you would not be able to tell if someone was trying to betray you (and is missing).
Betrayal isn't half as complicated as people sound, I'll sum it up for you.
-Betrayal is free-for-all. One person wins.
-During the game you get paired (or trio'd) up with one or two other players. Every kill by you or someone you're grouped with adds points to the pot (you still get points yourself as well).
-At any time you may use the alt fire beam (which is BLUE) to kill someone you're grouped with. If you do that, you get all the points shown in the pot.
Really, how hard is that to understand? The trick to getting lots of bonus points is to betray your "team" when the time is right (instead of just fragging them indiscriminently [holy crap I spelled that right]).
The bonus points are ON TOP of the regular points for the kill- thus, you can get more points by "playing the game" than by just shooting everything, assuming you don't suck too badly. If you can get ten more points for killing one person instead of getting just one, I think you'd win faster.
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well, with experienced players who know what they are doing and who know how the gamemode works it can be quite funny. but on a public most of the time its: XY betrayed AB! XY drew first blood!
sometimes this is funny because he gets 0 points off the pot but you get 7 for retrebuting on him, but most of the time its just **** playing it on publics.
Yes I did tell you, but I can't help it if you can't read or won't accept my reasons. All they could have done was make your team whatever team color your UT3 player usually is and then the other team the other color and it would have worked just fine. I understand the rules a little better, but it still doesn't change my opinion that Epic screwed this game type up.
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At least Betrayal stops me being always on Red; but really, it doesn't matter at all. I'm lately playing only this gametype Online, freaking fun sometimes.
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That would add unnecessary confusion, for the reasons SirTahngarth mentioned. If you were on Blue, Red beam is attack enemies and blue beam is attack team. Fine. If you were on Red, should they be swapped? If so, why? That's just unnecessarily confusing.
I also still stand by my point that blue is easier to see than red. Especially for people who are Red-Green Colorblind. (I know Renegade Retard is... not that Ren plays UT3 AFAIK.)
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OK, I just finished playing a few rounds and I had no idea it was instagib. Is this the way it is? Also, I guess it's not really a true "team" game because the blue guys are just being used for points. So I frag as many non-blue guys as I can and then betray a blue guy when the points are up and hope he doesn't get revenge/retribution/whatever... It works out and this must be a fast, unbelieveable frenzy online.
The main point of betrayal was actually to make instagib a true gametype (not just a mutator) and to add a wrinkle of strategy to the existing reasons to play instagib (emphasis of aim). And yes, you've got the gist of it. Don't think of it as a team, think of it as a temporary alliance, meant to be broken- just not immediately
WHen you betray someone, they have 30 seconds to hunt you down. If they get you, they get revenge and they get just as many bonus points as you got from betraying them. So when you betray someone, either avoid them, or get them before they get you
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Wait, you complained about "DA RULEZ" before actually having played Betrayal a single time? I recommend getting your time line straight the next time you find something looking strange.
I actually had to resort to one of the Bersy's videos (thank you once again) to understand Betrayal, it's pretty awkard at first.
The retribution time becomes hardcore in small maps.
The retribution time becomes hardcore in small maps.
How can you expect him to play the game when he is wearing that ugly garish blue outfit? Be serious next time.
Next up: Why is the Rocket Launcher so underpowered with its red rocket coronas?