Allow Lean while walking

[keihaswarrior]

It seems like the INF team didn't allow this because it would mean a ton more animations for UT (but not in UT2k4 ).

I think that in-game, you should be able to walk while leaning. Simply jogging or sprinting for a moment will reset the lean. It would also be nice to have the option of snap-lean built into the key config menu.

I get tired of having to do the dance of: Walk, lean out, walk another step (lean gets reset), lean out again, walk another half step, lean out... ug. I really hope this gets put into the next version.

 

[DamienW]

As far as i remember, it was discussed a big while back (i'm talking about the Gryphon/Shakken era there), and it wasdeemed that you can not walk while leaning in any stable way, let alone with all the gear a soldier carries.

 

[Nukeproof]

i'm talking about the Gryphon/Shakken era there)

what happend to Shakken by the way? I know Gryphon left at a certain point, but Shakken is still listed but I didn't see any posts...

Overall Beppo and Freon pretty much seem to be the only teammember posting in the forums lately.


sorry I didn't want to drag this offtopic, just curious

 

[keihaswarrior]

I can lean and walk at the same time, even with a heavy pack on (as long as I balanced the load properly). I don't see why a soldier shouldn't be able to. Granted, it isn't as "stable," but then recoil and bob should simply be increased.

 

[yurch]

If a person leans sideways, they natrually have to compensate for thier lean or fall over. For standing still, this means spreading your stance to compensate.
You can't do this while walking, as it puts all of the weight on a single leg. What natrually occurs instead is that the hips are moved into the opposite direction, resulting not in a useable lean, but in a very stupid looking walk.
I wouldn't call walking with your head tilted sideways a walking lean.

 

[keihaswarrior]

If a person leans sideways, they natrually have to compensate for thier lean or fall over. For standing still, this means spreading your stance to compensate.

I disagree. I can lean a great deal without moving my feet at all. When I lean to the right, my hips simply shift to the left to balance myself. When I walk (or sidestep) while leaning, I do the same thing.

 

[Psychomorph]

I´ve seen special forces guys lean while walk, even if they walk fast, BUT it is a very reduced lean, not as same as while standing.
I´m not a fan of lean while walk, cuz if it is like in Raven Shield, everybody is using it, so I have to use it also, that means I can´t do it with my standart config (Q/E) and that sucks as hell.

So if lean while walk, than a very weak one.


@keihaswarrior:
There is a trick (ok not a trick), which is quite cool and you see most soldiers doing it IRL.
If you stand and want to lean to see over the edge, just take a posture, where you look diagonal to the edge. If you lean right, just move the mouse little to the left, so you make kinda small turn with your view, to look forward.
That way I can lean very good, without to correct my position and my bodypart is better covered while behind the edge.
Sorry can´t explain it better

 

[Beppo]

Well in RL you stabilize your upper torso automatically cause the arms and head 'dictate' where to stay and the rest follows. What I mean is that if you stand, aim and lean out to the right for example and then move a bit more to the right, then you stop leaning out while you do the little sidestep and automatically reposition yourself once the sidestep finished. While doing so your aim stays very steady cause you normally do not change your focus while doing so.
To get this free body twisting and 'animation blending', that your body does automatically in RL, into a game is pretty hard to do. Best way would probably be that the leaning out is reduced the same amount as you move out to the right. So the view stays steady and everything feels smooth again. Cannot explain it any better but I hope you understood what I mean.

 

[NTKB]

I would pull my 9mm service pistol and shoot anyone walk leaning at point blank, for violating the dont ask dont tell policy.

 

[Wolf Being]

As was pointed out, ShakKen was opposed to the idea to the point of claiming it was physically impossible. I continue to disagree, because what is physically possible standing still is also physically possible while walking, i.e. if you can lean standing still, leaning while walking is just a matter of moving your feet. Just as regular walking is a lot like standing still, only while moving your feet.

Apparently there are verious different training doctrines. Some were apparently trained to sidestep-lean-straighten out; sidestep-lean- etc. At least so much I gathered from the oppositon to the idea and the fact that this is how it's implemented in Inf. Others - me included - were trained to do it more fluidly, including - if the situation requires it - moving sideways in a lean when slicing the pie. This means that the outermost point of your body is your head and weapon and you can either engage or withdraw at any time. I find this preferable, but I'll admit it's debatable when weighing it against the stability issue. Because of this, doctrines probably will vary.

If it was done, it should be relative to your walking speed. Sidesteps at full lean, half lean for walking, no lean when running obviously. But I don't see it happening anytime soon.