Welcome To A New America!!!!! (For the better even)

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N1ghtmare

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2) Obama has got to be the worst president ever in terms of protocol and etiquette. Just look at his visit with the queen... not only do they get her an iPod as a gift (guessed they saw it at walmart where Michelle Obama seems to buy all her clothes plus the fact it was a well known fact her son had given her one already) and severely broke both protocol and etiquette when meeting her. (grabbing her hand with both of his which is apparently a HUGE no-no.)
Way for our "leader" to make the entire nation look like a bunch of ignorant ****tards. This is also after having a special coach for days on this particular visit as well. What a moron.

She already had an I-pod. The one they got her was her second. and apparently she was thankful for the footage they put.

And the impression from the queen as that she was ok with the "touching."

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Did you ever hear Obama was going to fix the economy and give everyone jobs instantly? Its not even 100 days yet! He said numerous times it will not be easy, and that people will have to do some work on their own (Inaug speech).
 
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Sir_Brizz

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Today is his 100th day :p

I heard Obama was going to bring change to Washington. I guess that was just conservative media sensationalism.
 

BillyBadAss

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I honestly dont follow everything close enough to see whether there's actually good change going on because of this guy, but I will say this.

1) I still dont have a job. Nothing in NH has changed for the better in the past 3-4 months and more and more of my close friends have lost their jobs as well.

2) Obama has got to be the worst president ever in terms of protocol and etiquette. Just look at his visit with the queen... not only do they get her an iPod as a gift (guessed they saw it at walmart where Michelle Obama seems to buy all her clothes plus the fact it was a well known fact her son had given her one already) and severely broke both protocol and etiquette when meeting her. (grabbing her hand with both of his which is apparently a HUGE no-no.)
Way for our "leader" to make the entire nation look like a bunch of ignorant ****tards. This is also after having a special coach for days on this particular visit as well. What a moron.

1) If you tried harder you would have a job already. That's words from the Republican Party. This is America and you can be anything you want to be. Nothing will stand in your way. You just choose not to try and also did some poor planning for the future as you weren't valuable enough to keep around.

2) Yeah, so bad so she really enjoyed them. Oh, and people around the world like us again. I've had people thanking me left and right for voting for Obama at parties. Bush was terrible and he was the reason everyone hated us.
 

Sir_Brizz

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1) If you tried harder you would have a job already. That's words from the Republican Party. This is America and you can be anything you want to be. Nothing will stand in your way. You just choose not to try and also did some poor planning for the future as you weren't valuable enough to keep around.
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2) Yeah, so bad so she really enjoyed them. Oh, and people around the world like us again. I've had people thanking me left and right for voting for Obama at parties. Bush was terrible and he was the reason everyone hated us.
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kiff

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Oh, and people around the world like us again. I've had people thanking me left and right for voting for Obama at parties.
facepalm...

I'm sure the rest of the world loves obama's ass-kissing and selling out america. There won't be a lot of thanking after the massive debts kick in. but he'll probably be out of office by then. Obama's making Bush look like a saint...
 

Peavey

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Welcome to the same old America you've always known. No matter who's president, somebody's always going to bitch. Red or blue, you're a ****in' moron for thinking one side is better than the other. When we can all start addressing real issues, I'll be satisfied. The good old America we once knew will never exist again and that's reality. Don't get me wrong; I'd have loved to live in the heyday of our nation. It must've been heavenly. I play old school rock and roll and I'm in love with that era. I want to live it more than anyone, and I do. But to think that any president is going to bring us any kind of solace from this bleak modern world is a joke. The pendulum has to swing back the other way and it's about armageddon time. I'll be playing guitar.

Obama's openness towards smoking reefer is definitely one step in the right direction amongst the never-ending stairwell of problems we have to face. But so what. There's going to be some type of bull**** tax on marijuana that I'm going to have to evade anyway, which still keeps me labeled as a criminal. Which charge ya want, drug trafficking or tax evasion? The government has such little faith in its citizens, it's a wonder we're not completely done in as a whole yet.
 
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Capt.Toilet

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Welcome to the same old America you've always known. No matter who's president, somebody's always going to bitch. Red or blue, you're a ****in' moron for thinking one side is better than the other. When we can all start addressing real issues, I'll be satisfied. The good old America we once knew will never exist again and that's reality. Don't get me wrong; I'd have loved to live in the heyday of our nation. It must've been heavenly. I play old school rock and roll and I'm in love with that era. I want to live it more than anyone, and I do. But to think that any president is going to bring us any kind of solace from this bleak modern world is a joke. The pendulum has to swing back the other way and it's about armageddon time. I'll be playing guitar.

Obama's openness towards smoking reefer is definitely one step in the right direction amongst the never-ending stairwell of problems we have to face. But so what. There's going to be some type of bull**** tax on marijuana that I'm going to have to evade anyway, which still keeps me labeled as a criminal. Which charge ya want, drug trafficking or tax evasion? The government has such little faith in its citizens, it's a wonder we're not completely done in as a whole yet.

Will you join me in the frontlines to brother? AK-47's and riot shotguns for everyone :)

Seriously I see it coming. I give the unemployment rate another 2 percent and a couple more suicides because people can't handle the pressure and BOOOM here come the crazies.
 

BooGiTyBoY

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1) If you tried harder you would have a job already. That's words from the Republican Party. This is America and you can be anything you want to be. Nothing will stand in your way. You just choose not to try and also did some poor planning for the future as you weren't valuable enough to keep around.
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And here's where I say a healthy **** YOU sir. How dare you even comment like that you jackass as you have no idea whatsoever what the situation in my home state is. Im not trying harder? I "planned poorly? and "wasnt valuable enough?"
Howabout the ****ing 25 other people who I worked with and how they lost their jobs as well when our powers that be decided to close the entire location on us. How exactly was I and the others I worked with "not valuable enough." In literally one week I lost my job and my apt. and had to move back home. On top of that Im dealing with a dad who has cancer and hardly any medical coverage even though he worked 30+ years at one job. **** you and you're "I didnt try hard enough" bull****.

Say that to the literally hundreds of people in this area who lost their jobs when entire ****ing shopping malls have closed down, as well as 200+ employee factories and distribution centers, entire car dealerships, restaurants, etc. Say that to the parents I know who are hardly putting clothes on their kids backs here and already trying to figure out how they are going to heat their homes when summer ends.

I wasnt trying to blame Obama or anyone else for this problem here I was just saying that nothing has changed yet nor does it look like it's going to anytime soon and it's pretty bad.

Oh yeah, and **** you again just because your post pretty much made you the biggest jackhole on this forum. Except maybe for Brizz who actually thinks your post was funny.

Whether your post was meant to be sarcastic or serious it doesnt matter, you just dont say that to someone right now nor do you laugh at it.

**** you.
 

BillyBadAss

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And here's where I say a healthy **** YOU sir. How dare you even comment like that you jackass as you have no idea whatsoever what the situation in my home state is. Im not trying harder? I "planned poorly? and "wasnt valuable enough?"
Howabout the ****ing 25 other people who I worked with and how they lost their jobs as well when our powers that be decided to close the entire location on us. How exactly was I and the others I worked with "not valuable enough." In literally one week I lost my job and my apt. and had to move back home. On top of that Im dealing with a dad who has cancer and hardly any medical coverage even though he worked 30+ years at one job. **** you and you're "I didnt try hard enough" bull****.

Say that to the literally hundreds of people in this area who lost their jobs when entire ****ing shopping malls have closed down, as well as 200+ employee factories and distribution centers, entire car dealerships, restaurants, etc. Say that to the parents I know who are hardly putting clothes on their kids backs here and already trying to figure out how they are going to heat their homes when summer ends.

I wasnt trying to blame Obama or anyone else for this problem here I was just saying that nothing has changed yet nor does it look like it's going to anytime soon and it's pretty bad.

Oh yeah, and **** you again just because your post pretty much made you the biggest jackhole on this forum. Except maybe for Brizz who actually thinks your post was funny.

Whether your post was meant to be sarcastic or serious it doesnt matter, you just dont say that to someone right now nor do you laugh at it.

**** you.

Sorry about your Dad, but the rest of the stuff is the very stuff you don't feel the rest of us should have to support through some kind of government assistance.

Personally, I am all for social support through higher taxes. Our country can't function as it is because of our low taxes and now it really needs to help out those that have lost a lot. Getting people back on their feet will get them back into paying into the system which is better for the whole.

I wasn't trying to be a dick, but you were always one to rattle the republican saber, so I thought it was ironic you would be in the very situation of those needing help to which you felt you didn't owe anything. It feels different when the shoe is on the other foot don't you think?
 

BooGiTyBoY

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I was always one to rattle the republican saber? This is probably the first thread Ive ever posted in on here even remotely related to anything political. Also who said I wanted government assistance. What I want is a freakin' JOB or at least someone who can at least be in a position to offer one. I dont care who's responsible for it, the repubs, democrats, or the guy who owns the 7-11 in town.
 

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The point he was making, Boog, was that this is part of the reason people voted for Obama. People were in the situation you now find yourself in. The Republican party told them they didn't try hard enough and that everything bad in their life was their own fault, and that the infallible, perfect FREE MARKITZ had no hand in it, no responsibility, and that nobody should pay taxes to help people in that position. "Government waste", they called it. You're a "welfare queen" if you hold some small expectation that an advanced society such as ours would actually lend a helping hand rather than tell you to go **** yourself and rot in a ditch.

So they did the intelligent thing for people in their position, and voted in their financial interest. They did not vote for people (Republicans) who told them to suck it and magically find a job that doesn't exist. They realized that we've been doing trickle-down Reagonomics for a longass time, and that it didn't prevent the financial collapse we're now going through. Granted, Obama's massive spending towards corporate and financial executives isn't helping much either.
 

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Personally, I am all for social support through higher taxes. Our country can't function as it is because of our low taxes and now it really needs to help out those that have lost a lot.

good lord... yea, more taxes and drain more money from the private sector for inefficient government social programs. haven't you realized that that's the type of BS that got us in this situation in the first place? and yea, I know that the lack of prudent regulations made it worse, but that's yet another symptom of the same problem


They realized that we've been doing trickle-down Reagonomics for a longass time, and that it didn't prevent the financial collapse we're now going through.
WTF? Reaganomics went away when Reagan left office.... This collapse had nothing to do with Reaganomics, it was social programs (CRA) and bad regulations (bush/clinton - derivatives) that caused it.
 
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KaiserWarrior

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Oh, trickle-down is still alive and well, hence all those wonderful (most recently Bush) tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy are designed to stimulate the economy by letting those awesome entrepeneurs invest more of their "hard-earned" money into the economy.

Strangely though, average real wages (wages after adjustment for inflation) have decreased nearly 10% from their 1964 levels.

Now, could it be possible that people making less money now, adjusted for inflation, than they made in 1964 contributed just a tiny bit to the problem of massive personal debt and inability to pay hyper-inflated mortgages in the housing bubble?
 

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Oh, trickle-down is still alive and well, hence all those wonderful (most recently Bush) tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy are designed to stimulate the economy by letting those awesome entrepeneurs invest more of their "hard-earned" money into the economy.

Strangely though, average real wages (wages after adjustment for inflation) have decreased nearly 10% from their 1964 levels.

Now, could it be possible that people making less money now, adjusted for inflation, than they made in 1964 contributed just a tiny bit to the problem of massive personal debt and inability to pay hyper-inflated mortgages in the housing bubble?
Supply-side economics does indeed work. Capitalism could not exist without it. I will digress that although there has been a mix of socialistic measures blended into our capitalistic society, we our moving away from capitalism. I don't mean to say it is gone, but that we are becoming more dependent on our government and less on our private industry these days than we have been in a very long time.

You say that Americans' real wages is down ten percent from 1964. Sure, that might be true if you consider that society overall has become more greedy. We are a nation of untold debt. I hear people talking about the working poor in this country, yet nobody wants to take the really responsible move and cut down on frivolous expenses such as cell phones, internet, pay-per-view and the like. Oh, and don't get me started on those families who not only have two or vehicles, but many of these families have two or more "new" vehicles that they are making payments on.
 

KaiserWarrior

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Personal responsibility for overspending plays into it, no one can question that. But people making, on average, less actual money than they made in the 60s is a sign of the inherent fallacies of trickle-down: it absolutely does not trickle down. It stops at the nearest corrupt executive, of which there are plenty.

Couple that with modern sub/urban realities. Many, many more people now have to drive to work than did in previous decades. They have no choice, because affordable housing is distant from their place of work. So now, they have the added required expense of a vehicle, in addition to the fact that they are actually making less money than they would have back when a personal vehicle wasn't as necessary. This leads to an inherent deficit. Even old cars are barely a better option, because repairs are so expensive that they can quickly make up the difference in cost.

As an example, though thankfully in my case I managed to get a good education and a well-paying job so I'm not financially at-risk: my job is 40 miles away from my home. Those 40 miles cost a significant amount in gas and vehicle repairs. But it's still less than the cost of living there. Here, my current rent (combined total with all residents) gets one side of a duplex with two bedrooms, two bathrooms, outside storage area, a yard and everything. That same total rent, 40 miles away in the city, gets you a studio apartment with one bed, one bath, and that's it.

Part of the reason we are now moving more towards government taking care of things is because of private industries' overwhelming failure to do so, and in some cases willingness to capitalize on the problem. Personal debt is a huge problem in the nation right now, and very, very few people can say they are debt-free. Everyone is well aware of all the bull**** credit card offers these days with some absurdly low introductory APR that then jacks through the roof. Credit card companies (and I'm talking major, respectable ones) have even started sending me "ACT NOW PRE-APPROVED BUY OUR ****" credit cards in unmarked envelopes to disguise who they are. These are large, flat grey envelopes with only my name/address on them, and inside is the latest mastercard offer.

Healthcare reform is a big topic these days. Oh noes, government healthcare is bad! This may be so, but how much worse is it than when my mother spends one night in a hospital for a sudden collapse, does one simple blood test, and the bill comes back in five figures? Fortunately she works two jobs and both have insurance, and the combined total covered it. Many don't have that luxury, and being hit with that sort of bill can absolutely be ruinous. Private industry has completely and utterly failed to provide acceptable healthcare.

I hold industry responsible for making a shameless attempt to get people in debt, profit off of the interest payments until they inevitably default, and then repo the assets to recover the initial outlay. It is predatory, and it should be criminal.

Are people responsible for taking the bait? Of course. But there are those who simply say "caveat emptor" and make no attempt to assign any blame to the loan sharks making the bad offers. They are just as culpable.
 
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