Betrayal Video Guide
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Nice video, I now understand what I'm supposed to do.
Only one part, somewhere in the middle, where you explain what happens when you kill someone and how many points you get for it, was a little unclear.
The way I understand it now is:
Betrayal pot is the total number of points your 'team' has scored. Each individual player get his own points, so you'd have 1 player with 12 points, 1 player with 3 points and their pot would be 15 points, correct? (As in, the pot doesn't correct for the whole 'relative points value' thing).
If you betray, you steal their points, so for the 3-points-player this would be a good move. That would give that player all 15 points and cost the other player 12 points.
If he frags you back within 30 seconds, you lose all 15 points and he gets them. Correct?
Do other non-ex-teammates get extra points for fragging a rogue too?
God...this is complicated :/
Only one part, somewhere in the middle, where you explain what happens when you kill someone and how many points you get for it, was a little unclear.
The way I understand it now is:
Betrayal pot is the total number of points your 'team' has scored. Each individual player get his own points, so you'd have 1 player with 12 points, 1 player with 3 points and their pot would be 15 points, correct? (As in, the pot doesn't correct for the whole 'relative points value' thing).
If you betray, you steal their points, so for the 3-points-player this would be a good move. That would give that player all 15 points and cost the other player 12 points.
If he frags you back within 30 seconds, you lose all 15 points and he gets them. Correct?
Do other non-ex-teammates get extra points for fragging a rogue too?
God...this is complicated :/
I think it was when UT2003 was first coming out, Cliffy B pronounced it as Jib. I've always called it gib and I'm not going to change the way I say it lol.
Oh and there is nothing wrong with the video. If you're seriously having issues understanding it, then maybe the problem is on your end.
Oh and there is nothing wrong with the video. If you're seriously having issues understanding it, then maybe the problem is on your end.
Why do you think this place is called 'Beyond' Unreal? Most chronical complainers still play games from 10 years and refuse to let go of their cheating skills. Just ignore them please, just like Epic does.
and easy to listen to.
First of all, I have no problem with the voice and any accent it may have.
I didn't try Betrayal yet, but the video makes it sound complicating enough for the video to be useful.
With that I'm not complaining about the clarity of the explanation, quite the opposite!
There have been lots of debates about this all over the tubes actually, often as an attempt at trolling I'm sad to say.
I'm glad to find out this time it wasn't one.
It's not really a matter of belief though.
Someone at id (I don't remember exactly who) started naming the meat chunks gibs after giblets, which has a J-sound.
Being the inventor, he is the one who invented the pronunciation, which he logically chose to be identical to the original word.
Of course "aluminum" isn't the right pronunciation of aluminium.
"Nucular" isn't the right pronunciation of nuclear either.
However, when even the US president mispronounces it, over time it may be considered correct, whether we like it or not.
I'm guessing you're not a cook, and you don't know anyone called George.
I didn't try Betrayal yet, but the video makes it sound complicating enough for the video to be useful.
With that I'm not complaining about the clarity of the explanation, quite the opposite!
That's only if you believe John Romero. There was a debate about this on gamespy but I can't find it
There have been lots of debates about this all over the tubes actually, often as an attempt at trolling I'm sad to say.
I'm glad to find out this time it wasn't one.
It's not really a matter of belief though.
Someone at id (I don't remember exactly who) started naming the meat chunks gibs after giblets, which has a J-sound.
Being the inventor, he is the one who invented the pronunciation, which he logically chose to be identical to the original word.
Of course "aluminum" isn't the right pronunciation of aluminium.
"Nucular" isn't the right pronunciation of nuclear either.
However, when even the US president mispronounces it, over time it may be considered correct, whether we like it or not.
I'm guessing you're not a cook, and you don't know anyone called George.
nice video :tup:
just like the greed tutorial i now understand what the different colors indicate. good job.
about the jib - gib debate: i pronounce it with the same sound as the g in 'good' as well but just for fun you should go play the tutorial of the original Unreal Tournament. after you kill the nali with the impact hammer the tutorial voice will say something like 'look at those JIBS fly'.
so does this come down to personal preference, local variants or what?!
just like the greed tutorial i now understand what the different colors indicate. good job.
about the jib - gib debate: i pronounce it with the same sound as the g in 'good' as well but just for fun you should go play the tutorial of the original Unreal Tournament. after you kill the nali with the impact hammer the tutorial voice will say something like 'look at those JIBS fly'.
so does this come down to personal preference, local variants or what?!
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Thanks for the video. I pretty much figured out how Betrayal worked, just some of the fine details were missing.
Hmm, I thought I worded it pretty clearly but there's only so much you can explain when you're trying to condense it into 4 minutes. You know this whole "TL;DR" generation..
Again, any kill regardless of what team member made it or how many points they got off it individually, is put into the pot as 1 point. So it's not equal to the total number of "points" your team has scored, but the number of kills.
So one player could have 12 and the other 3 on the scoreboard, and their pot might still be only 4 because those were from 4 kills but player A killed a guy with 7 value and a guy with 5 value (12), and player B killed a guy with 1 value and another with 2 value (3).
When you betray you steal whatever is in the pot. even if you earned many of the points in it, you get these again. You get the whole pot, points aren't subtracted from anyone else's score or anything like that. But you also get whatever the value is over the teammate's head that you betray. Again this is relative to how well or poorly they're doing compared to you. If you were in last and they were in first it would probably be something like 10. so if the pot was 15, and they were valued 10, you'd get 25 points for betraying them.
If they managed to get a retribution, they would get your value which would be 1 since you're below them in score, plus the Rogue value (6, don't ask why, this seems to be an arbitrary value the programmer chose).. and possibly some other things contribute to the final value. So a retribution wouldn't steal the points back but it would give them a boost for sure, possibly sending them over the top for the win.
So when the pot is low it never pays off for a high value player to betray a low value player. They'd get something like 2 or 3 points, and if the betrayed teammate got payback they would have around a 16 point bonus. So in fact if a a low value player is clever he or she might try to provoke the high value player into a betrayal because of the low risk vs high potential of payoff.
Other non team players do not see the rogue value at all because they were not the ones betrayed. Anyone on the team can get retribution even if they were not the ones killed, they were still "betrayed" if for no other reason than that the pot could have been theirs instead.
Hopefully this is starting to make some sense.. I admit I don't know 100% of the details but I have been scrutinizing the gametype hard since I got a hold of the first beta, so I've had longer than most to figure it out.. I've even dug into the code to look at the functions and values. It's not entirely clear but the only way I'd have a better understanding now is if Epic cooperated with me on it officially.
your personal frag has a different value based on how important the player is to kill (if they are above you on the board the value goes up, if they're below you or equal it stays as 1). So if you see a player with a +10 above them, you get 10 points. but only 1 pt goes into the team pot from it.
a payback has nothing to do with the team pot, I explained in my above post and in the video how it is calculated.
I suggest reading the text tips in the HD version, they fill in some of the details I didn't explain fully verbally.
My question is, where did you find all these details? The pack came with not real documentation, that I saw.