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Exus Tecius

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ok mate one last reply.
who gave them the right to do terror and kill innocent ppl in the name of islam?
not we muslims or god.so pls.

i know better than maybe all of you that in my religion are morons who like
what the terrorist do.

but that is not in the name of islam.how can someone take such a statement for real?i repeat dont blame an entire worldreligion and millions of ppl for criminal activities done by terrorists.


its up to you now.i told you to remove that sig.pls.
 

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ok mate one last reply.
who gave them the right to do terror and kill innocent ppl in the name of islam?
not we muslims or god.so pls.

i know better than maybe all of you that in my religion are morons who like
what the terrorist do.

but that is not in the name of islam.how can someone take such a statement for real?i repeat dont blame an entire worldreligion and millions of ppl for criminal activities done by terrorists.


its up to you now.i told you to remove that sig.pls.

That's just it. He's not (as far as I can tell) blaming an entire religion... just those conducting terror in its name.

Who gives them the right to terrorize in the name of Islam? I don't know. Ask them! I'm pretty sure they'll tell you that God does.

You said it yourself... there are people in your religion that like what they do. There's a large part of the problem. Muslims need to speak out against terrorism in the name of Islam - not sit quietly and demand others do the same.
 

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That's just it. He's not (as far as I can tell) blaming an entire religion... just those conducting terror in its name.

Who gives them the right to terrorize in the name of Islam? I don't know. Ask them! I'm pretty sure they'll tell you that God does.

You said it yourself... there are people in your religion that like what they do. There's a large part of the problem. Muslims need to speak out against terrorism in the name of Islam - not sit quietly and demand others do the same.

well.yeah that is very true hal.
but remember not all islamic countries are free like lets say...turkey or marocco.. in that case.but i agree ppl should move their ass and show some courage.
cheers.
 
(xtc), I really don't think Iron would make a blanket judgment call like that about a whole religion. I think it's clear who he's talking about, and given the atmosphere of current events it's a fair criticism about a particular group of people. I can understand how the precursory word might make you raise an eyebrow, but he's not talking about you. If it really bothers you, maybe you can PM him and ask him nicely to remove it. I had a quote once in my sig from a long time ago that offended someone and I didn't even realize it. They contacted me through a PM about it, nicely, and I removed it.
 
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Nobody is going to change each others minds here but I take comfort in knowing there is going to be a government elected by the people of laws and not guns. So some of you call Bush a war criminal. Amazing that a "war criminal" is trying to bring democracy to the country. Yes how extremely evil of him. haha. All those Iraqis voting. Terrible. We shouldn't give them the opportunity to debate issues in the arena of ideas. I think they should just continue fighting each other.

How much democracy the US will allow in Iraq is questionable. There are plans for 50 permanent millitary bases throughout the country, a permenent occupying force, allow the US to act with total immunity to Iraqi law, detain indefinetely Iraqi's without trial etc etc

Before elections were even held in Iraq, the CPA under Paul Bremer changed all of Iraqi tax laws by decree. Iraq's public assets were all sold of to foreign corporations and banks. Tariffs on all imports were removed. US citizens working in Iraq were given immunity from prosecution under Iraqi law.

This wasn't exactly democratic, and there is a good reason why. No Iraqis would have ever voted for such changes. No one in the free world would vote for such changes.

The majority of the public in Iraq want the US to announce a full and eventual withdrawal, timetabled. The US are not doing this, there opposing it, so it raises obvious question about how democratic it really is.

Besides, a truly democratic Iraq is a scary thought for US Goverment and the Pentagon. The majority of Iraqi's are Shiite Muslims. That would make Iran their most natural ally. Such an Axis would be sitting on one of the world's biggest oil reserves. Their control over the oil markets would be far more powerful than the Saudis. What makes it even scarier is that if Iran got a nuclear bomb, the US couldn't invade and would be powerless to stop this alliance.

Democracy wasn't "brought" to the US (or Ireland, UK, France, practically anywhere), it happened from within, just like how it has to happen everywhere.
 

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its up to you now.i told you to remove that sig.pls.

Deal with it.

muhammed_cartoon.jpg
 

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well.yeah that is very true hal.
but remember not all islamic countries are free like lets say...turkey or marocco.. in that case.but i agree ppl should move their ass and show some courage.
cheers.

Maybe the reason why the average guy doesn't move his ass as you say is because he's unsure of what to do.

I mean people are on equal ground and aside from some countries there is no source of authority when it comes to Islam aside from the community elders (and you all know how the old and the young get on together). The only thing one could do is to condemn any acts of violence but one can't really tell others what to do. Also anyone who speaks out runs the risk of being targetted.

I don't know if you're getting the same impression xtc, especially since turkey has it's own interpretation of what islam is about, but it's as if the religion itself is going through some phase of change or putting itself into question with respect to its position in the world.

Please excuse me if my interpretations as an outsider are wrong.

P.S: If the second statement in my signature is awkward don't hesitate to say so. I simply put it there because it was awful to see a woman begging for change and I found it unnerving when she was visibly uncomfortable while thanking me.
 
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dont try to involve me in a political discussion on a gaming forum.
i said that sig is disturbing and want it removed.thats all.

i dont care if ppl from all fanatics fronts hate me for my words and think
i am a dreamer.
 
What is apparent to me xtc is that your actions seem to typify what bothers a lot of people about Islam. You see something that you perceive as an affront to your faith and you want it changed. The lack of tolerance is on your end. There are topics in this forum that bother me or I find offensive. I ovoid them...it's that simple. People have the right to express what they want as long as it does not cause harm to other people. If a signature bothers you that much I would suggest you find another forum to hang out in.


Oh, and B.O.T. I'm voting for Bob Barr. He's the Libertarian candidate. While his chances of election are slim to none at least I know my vote will go for someone whose campaign I can agree with and I won't count it as waisted. I'm sick of choosing between the lesser of two evils. IMO neither Obama or McCain will do this country any good.
 
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The majority of the public in Iraq want the US to announce a full and eventual withdrawal, timetabled.

Source?
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I simply have a ticker in my sig showing the attacks committed in the name of Islam, by extremists who seek to bring all Muslims and non Muslims under their brand of Islam.

for xtc:

Search result when you plug "unbelievers" (that'd be us :)) into the search engine in the Koran

From the website:

And so, our mission is to present the truth about Islam and how it is so tragically different from other religion. We also hope to memorialize the victims of Islamic terror, and ensure that they do not die in obscurity as so many victims of Islam have in the last 1400 years.

For Westerners and others who ask, "Who are Muslims and why do they want to kill me?" we hope to provide answers. For those who swallow the falsehood that Islam is a Religion of Peace, we hope they will find enough reason to at least challenge their preconceptions.

At the same time, we have no patience for name-calling, lies, or acts of violence. No Muslim should be harassed or harmed anywhere in the world because of his or her religion. Islam is a broad faith and every Muslim should be treated as an individual and judged only by his or her own words and deeds.

In fact, there are exceptional Muslims whose faith gives them character, as evidenced by their sincere denunciation of terror and tangible resolve to ending it. They stand in sharp contrast to groups like the American CAIR and MPAC Islamic supremacist organizations, which use their influence to complain of petty grievances and inflame hatred against a country that tries hard to accommodate their faith in spite of the violence and whining.

But, as the evidence from this site and verses from the Qur'an prove, Islam is clearly not a religion of peace. The ridiculous level of violence committed in the name of this religion is staggering, despite the many billions of dollars that are spent each year to prevent attacks.

Nor should Westerners continue to think that the solution to the violence is greater understanding and tolerance for Islam, as Muslim apologists often imply when offering rare commentary on high-profile terror attacks. It is the killers and their supporters who need lessons in tolerance and understanding, not their victims.

Some Muslims may say that Muhammad preached love for people of other religions, but there is not a single verse in the Qur'an that commands this, yet there are 493 verses that either tell Muslims to kill unbelievers or that speak to Allah's hatred for them and how they will be tortured in Hell. Non-Muslims are referred to as the "vilest of animals."

If peace is defined as being free to live one's life as one pleases and allowing others to do the same, then Islam is as far from peace as it can possibly be. Where it dominates, there is systematic discrimination and oppression of those of other faiths (dhimmitude, which Muslims ironically refer to as 'tolerance'). Where Muslims are in minority, there is rebellion, terror and disloyalty - a never-ending jihad to bring about Islamic rule, as Muhammad commanded.

Islam will be a peaceful religion when Muslims stop preaching hate, stop killing in the name of Allah, and stop remaining indifferent to the violence. Until this happens, we will faithfully document each of the reasons why this is anything but a "Religion of Peace."
 

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whats so strange about my statements sirius?
shall i hide that i am a muslim on buf?

just look at this hopeless fanatic called ironarcher...lol

come on i tell you ppl like those are pretty much the last ones who i wanna see on this forum.hell...these are honest words.
dont feed trolls or they multiply themselves.;)
 

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I entirely agree with what sirius said.

It gets old fast, the incessant whining by muslims about what they dont like in the long run just pisses everyone else off
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whats so strange about my statements sirius?
shall i hide that i am a muslim on buf?

No, but no one cares if you're offended about someones signature. Don't like it? There's other forums on the internet you can go to.

[edit] I don't like Tupac. I think was a woman basher and was pro-violence. You don't see me crying about Tupac in your signature. Also, there's an option in the User CP to turn off all signatures. [/edit]
 
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Exus Tecius

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ahah just seeing the tag now.
well oki i stop debating.ppl who know me , can tell you if am not a hatefull
ignorant.oki soz i some of my words were harsh.screw it.lol
cheers.

but really i dont think any religous/political discussions are that welcome on BUF.
 

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No, but no one cares if you're offended about someones signature. Don't like it? There's other forums on the internet you can go to.

[edit] I don't like Tupac. I think was a woman basher and was pro-violence. You don't see me crying about Tupac in your signature. Also, there's an option in the User CP to turn off all signatures. [/edit]

:lol::lol::lol:
 

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Islam may not be a religion of terror, but terror is being performed in the name of Islam - there's no denying that. If it makes you feel any better, you could say the same of many religions at one point in history or another.

He could say it, but do we want the whole board to be filled with sigs attacking all religions and races?

The signature does target Muslims assuming they are all terrorists. And then that website he linked to with all the quotes from the Qur'an. Its like he is trying to get every board member to hate Islam and Arabs because of the amount of damage a few fanatics have done.

If I put up a sig that said how many gangs and crimes have been committed by black people, would you leave it in my post?

"Iron Archer's sig only refers to the fanatics." The one with Black people would only refer to the poorer ones in gangs. -Do you see my point?
 
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