Could someone please explain what this thread was about and be so kind to summarize all the points made in this thread in a structural manner?
Who do you want to win this election?
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No, I agree with you. Definitely not a reason to vote for him. It wasnt so much a point to make about the world liking us, as it was it was to point about UK'ers getting involved in American politics. We're perceived as racists, while they see themselves as open minded. 4-1 they support Obama, but they aren't weighing in on the issues... I remember some English comedian made headlines at an american awards show. Pretty much calling Americans stupid if we didn't vote Obama. Yet the UK has not had a high elected official of a different color...ever.
Wow ...
So you make a factual assertion without providing any evidence to support your claim, and then when I call you out on it, you throw a lot of obscenities my way and talk about how intellectually superior you are to everyone. I guess when you're such a transcendent being you don't need to bother with concepts like intellectual rigor, or actually engaging with people you claim to be superior to. That's for plebs!
Thanks for the amusement anyway.
Oh snap! A strawman. We got a strawman here. Dude, how ludicrous do you need to be? Segregation was out the door a loooooong time ago, even in SC. I ought to know, as I grew up in the Charleston area.
Plenty of other countries dislike the US. Take Iran, for example, their people actually like the US, but their government hates us. In other governments like the US and their people hate us. Trying to be everyone's friend is a no win situation. It is preferable to have the respect of other nations and that is what the next administration should work towards, but just simply caving to their demands doesn't always get you respect, as it could backfire and make you look weak. And nobody likes a wimp.
This is what scares me the most about Obama. I just do not get the idea that he will be strong enough with our country's defense. I sincerely hope that I am wrong about this.
I also find it ironic that teen mothers is a common occurance in the US (hell I was approached by 4 of them during my East Coast trip, begging me to spare a coin), no thanks to that whole "NO ABORTIONS, PREACH ABSTINENCE, CURSE THE CONDOM" bs the R side's got going...
And yet... Most of modern Europe combined is at a 0.353 ratio for abortions, while the US is at a staggering 0.69..
Isn't that funny? That much more socialist countries (read: countries with legally supported abortion facilities) have a LOT LESS BABYKILLING GOING ON?!!
But then again, let's not let FACTS get in our way, eh?!
Still preaching outright ignorance, are we Unbecoming?!
You won't be stopping any 13-year olds from becoming parents by hiding away the condoms and telling them that "naughty funny adult stuff is bad, mmkay?", which - incidently - is an approach what McCain is FOR!
Yes, because ABSTINENCE surely has worked here..
Oh.. Right..
Less "NO ABORTIONS, PREACH ABSTINENCE" BS, more sex-ed, mmhkay?
Trust us. It works better. We (as in, EUROPE) know.
And I pity Crotale for genuinely believing that Trickle-down economy WORKS, and that the working class ISN'T the driving foundation of the US.
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I've still seen segregated restrooms in South Carolina. But the point I was making is that conservatives always want the big issues to go to the states, and you can see the outcomes of that history.
I was talking about the people, not the governments. Global polls show support for Obama in most countries. Just because Obama wants to give meeting without preconditions a try, doesn't mean he'll just cave in. It's just another option.
I'd be more scared about McCain or Palin with that. Who knows how many wars would be started?
so how do you really feel?
That's beside the point.
Abortion is a personal, individual decision. That unborn child belongs to the family, not to the government.
Keep it in your pants?? Ok grandpa. Do you even live on this planet?
You must have been born 45 years old and married. Teens will be teens. Crack babies will be crack babies. Rape happens. Irregular pregnancies, even when everything else is fine and dandy, can threaten the mothers life.
It's her and her family's decision to decide if it's worth bringing another life into a crowded enough existence, if they will be able to support and care for the child properly. Sometimes adoption is the best option, sometimes abortion is.
AS LONG AS IT'S EARLY ENOUGH, I don't support late abortions; won't get into the definition of "late" or "early" right now.
No, I don't find that unreasonable. You just never asked. My only reason for supporting abortion is as long as it happens early. While we're still talking about a loose arrangement of cells.
No, see? You're assuming things which makes you look like an assclown.
You assumed, before asking or hearing what my personal take was, that I don't understand the issue or that I would be just fine with a woman aborting 5 mins from delivery.
That's just stupid. Don't get stupid on me.
This is pretty good info you don't see often:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4
Just three things:
1. The Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 never went to the senate, but it went to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, which at that time was dominated by republicans. The democrats did not stop it, because the republicans did first.
2. Obama himself received more money from Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac (not from the companies themselves though), but if you factor in lobbyists, McCain also received a huge amount (one source says more than Obama, but I can't remember the site to quote).
3. I do not support John McCain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4
Just three things:
1. The Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 never went to the senate, but it went to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, which at that time was dominated by republicans. The democrats did not stop it, because the republicans did first.
2. Obama himself received more money from Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac (not from the companies themselves though), but if you factor in lobbyists, McCain also received a huge amount (one source says more than Obama, but I can't remember the site to quote).
3. I do not support John McCain.
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I'm not sure I believe that. Got some proof?
So what if they do? It is much easier for constituents to remedy such an issue at a local or state level than at the federal level. Sheesh, we don't trust the states we live in, but we trust the Federal government. Talk about misplaced trust. Sadly enough, you probably do not even realize the power and authority you place into the Federal Government when you allow them to make these decisions for you. Once the US Govt gets a hold of something, it takes a movement of heaven and earth to get it back. Keep that in mind.
I could give a rat's ass if some yahoo in another country "likes" me, my country or my President. It's highly possible that I don't like them and theirs much either. I simply do not care for hiring a President based upon his "global" likability. I want a person who will take care of business. I'm just not convinced Obama is "the one".
I'm not so sure that a McCain/Palin White House would take us into war. Do you have any proof, because it sounds like mere conjecture to me.
Nice of you to put words in my mouth. Quote me on those, mmkay pumpkin? Edit:/ by the way, tell me this, if Obama gives more to the less fortunate and takes more from the more fortunate Americans (those who make 120-250K or more) who will re-invest in America to create more jobs? Will it be that poor family earning just under 30K a year? Hardly. And I mean no disrespect for anyone earning that low of an income, as it is not necessarily commensurate with their value to society.
In my opinion, it takes a fine balance of reasonable taxation on those who do invest in the creation and maintenance of jobs and allowing those less fortunate to keep more of what they earn, hoping to create and maintain customers for those jobs. It is a vicious, yet delicate cycle.
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No. I stopped for gas in somewhere in South Carolina, and there were three restrooms at the gas station: white men, white women, colored. That is not the point I was making, I was talking about state power and its negative outcomes.
The issue of abortion seems to completely contradict this statement.
I don't consider it a qualification, but considering that the level of education in some of these countries completely trumps the U.S., it gives you something to think about.
Well, McCain advocated the Iraq war, and Palin was already talking about war with Russia.
When did I ever say we should teach abstinence only and give no sex-ed?Yes, because ABSTINENCE surely has worked here..
Oh.. Right..
Less "NO ABORTIONS, PREACH ABSTINENCE" BS, more sex-ed, mmhkay?
Trust us. It works better. We (as in, EUROPE) know.
Abstinence has a 100% effective rate, so, yeah, duh, it works. As long as poeple practice it. That's pretty much what I was getting at.
If you don't want to get stuck with being pregnant, don't have sex. If you take the risk, I have no sympathy for you at all. Along with this, if you can't figure out you are pregnant within the first trimester and decide you don't want the baby within that same time period, I still have no sympathy for you.
That "unborn child" doesn't belong to anyone.
I really don't understand why you are arguing with me. You must not have read any of my posts on this topic, or else you would realize the futility of MAKING THE EXACT SAME POINT I ALREADY MADE WHICH YOU AGREE WITH.
I didn't assume anything, and I never asserted that you would be okay with that. I was commenting on a possible scenario of deregulating Abortion completely. I don't see that as an option. Your previous post indicated that you didn't understand the issue completely, and then you followed up with a post that agreed with me on essentially every single point that I made.
So again, why are you arguing with me?
Hmm, what town was that in? I might be persuaded to believe there could be a few bastions of the old south still lingering, but that isn't the norm and you know it.
Not really. While RvW is a Constitutional issue, is an interpreted right. What I am speaking of is the relational expectations of the Federal Government to take responsibility away from the states, and that is a bad precedence. A perfect case in point, albeit a failure of an exercise, was Katrina. While the Feds bungled it after they were requested to provide support, it was the Louisiana Governor who failed to make that request in a timely manner. She assumed, as did many others, that the Feds would just automagically walk in and take command without being invited to do so. Do you know how utterly stupid that was and even more disastrous that would have been? F***ing-A, the Feds take over Louisiana, story at 11.
Okay, I'll but that I suppose, but you came off before as touting it as if it was a primary reason to elect or not elect the guy.
A lot of Congresspersons advocated the Iraq War, but it does not mean they are all warmongers. As for Palin and comments on Russia, well, I'd say she is right on the money as far as their illegal incursion. If you are referring to her comment on seeing Russia from her house, well, there isn't enough salt to take with that one. I'm chalking it up to inexperience in the arena, but that does not indicate that she will be a warmonger or a bad VP. In that regard, Biden is a bumbling idiot when he speaks, but I'd have less issue with him being President than Obama.
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I'll have to ask my parents. I also remember all the Confederate flags, but I'm not going to make an assumptions as to what they now symbolize.
That was the Bush administration. No president has ever botched up a national response to a natural disaster that badly before.
President of the Senate is only half of the VP's job, and requires almost no effort. The other half (you know, becoming president of the United States) is the part I'm worried about. I agree that Biden is not a good speaker, but it's a different level.