shadow_dragon
is ironing his panties!
Oooh I like this!
I've never liked "Athiest". Everyone i've ever known who claimed to be one was, at best, a total jerk!
What if Jesus was gay?
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Oooh I like this!
I've never liked "Athiest". Everyone i've ever known who claimed to be one was, at best, a total jerk!
It would be fine and well to provide just an opinion, and even with Chik Fil A CEO stating it in a forum. [much like what we do here] But what I saw in the news next was throngs of people who couldn't wait to jump up to stand by their side lining up to support their beliefs. The part I have trouble with is not seen on this instance, but is what takes place in the homes and churches where it is constantly preached to parishioners and kids of the sins of being gay. Every other day there's some preacher telling their masses to beat the sin out of them or pray the gay away.
My point of this thread was to indicate if Jesus was gay, what would the church leaders have left to stand on? Who could they outcast instead to further their agenda?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/chickfila.asp
As is often the case the truth is somewhat different.
And Studd if you are going to post it, stand behind it. You didn't post it as a "what if...", you posted it to get a heated response from those of faith. There is no logic to your proposition, it's designed to be inflammatory and offensive and it certainly works.
Lizard Of Oz
Demented Avenger
Thanks for posting a link that verifies my post!
Now again, what say you about Chik-Fil-A opening themselves up to the protest they are receiving because they donated millions to organizations that are actively trying to deny homosexuals the same rights you and I enjoy vs. the following bull: "gay rights groups that have massed and turned this on it's ear and morphed it into a 'movement', which is their common practice. They have started a fight over someone's thoughts to try to hammer CFA into submission under the 'equal rights' banner." ?
On the subject of speech and/or "thoughts": Everybody has the right to say whatever they wish, BUT they must be prepared to accept the fallout. Fallout like other exercising their right to free speech with public protest and boycotts. To extol one and them spin around and condemn the other is hypocrisy at its finest.
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CFA has the right to send money anywhere they like and they will be just fine even with the protesting. I for one am glad to see a large company's owner have the temerity to stand up to the gay rights lobby.
I'm not sure where you stand on gay rights but I'm going to ask this of everyone and not just you. Where does gay rights end? Is it your position that I should be free to marry anyone I choose? If not then what are your criteria for choosing who (or what) is ok and what isn't? I fail to see that once you cross the line into same-sex marriage that you can stop anywhere on down the line and still stand in a logical way. If it's all about personal choice then can I marry my adult daughter? If not, then what's the logical ground for a negative answer?
The point is we all know what is 'right' and 'wrong' inherently. Marrying my adult daughter is wrong, we all know it, but there is no logical reason to deny it once you step away from a Biblical concept of marriage and family.
As an aside this has been a most fruitful discussion. Well done by all and quite enjoyable to follow. Mostly BUF devolves into threads I just stop reading but this one has been quite fun.
I'm not sure where you stand on gay rights but I'm going to ask this of everyone and not just you. Where does gay rights end? Is it your position that I should be free to marry anyone I choose? If not then what are your criteria for choosing who (or what) is ok and what isn't? I fail to see that once you cross the line into same-sex marriage that you can stop anywhere on down the line and still stand in a logical way. If it's all about personal choice then can I marry my adult daughter? If not, then what's the logical ground for a negative answer?
The point is we all know what is 'right' and 'wrong' inherently. Marrying my adult daughter is wrong, we all know it, but there is no logical reason to deny it once you step away from a Biblical concept of marriage and family.
As an aside this has been a most fruitful discussion. Well done by all and quite enjoyable to follow. Mostly BUF devolves into threads I just stop reading but this one has been quite fun.
Lizard Of Oz
Demented Avenger
Is not using the bible as a source to legally define marriage unconstitutional? What if I want to use the Qur'an, the Pāli Canon, Harry Potter or Ming Fat's China Buffet menu as my source to legally define marriage?
BTW, I'm fine with you marrying your daughter, as long as you can guarantee you won't be breeding little mutant children.
Then don't deny it. What if I feel differently from you? By your own admission, the whole basis for the law falls apart.
Firefly
United Kingdom is not a country.
Not sure what you mean. I did post my question as a "What if...".
Inflammatory? Really? By stating "...there would be a lot less bickering going on" sounds to me like a conciliatory statement.
My hope is that people of the religious persuasion reading my post would ponder the notion and consider, maybe, just maybe what they had been told to believe may not really be true.
shadow_dragon
is ironing his panties!
Label you, label me; label it for always
That's the way it should be
Label you, label me; label it together
Naturally
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you're an idiot if you honestly believe this.
and I feel very sorry for your children, if you have any, that they should be raised to be as ignorant and bigoted as you are.
the bible was not the first officially established concept of marriage.
and even if it was, that doesn't make it the ultimate authority on marriage or mean that it's right.
if 2 grown men or women love each other then there's no good reason why they cannot be married.
this is not a slippery slope to incest or man-on-donkey marriage. all the usual rules still apply.
I hardly think incest is comparable to man-on-donkey marriage. Give it another 40 years and non-procreative incestuous marriages will be legal again, as they ought to be. Hell, perhaps we'll have worked out a way for such ones to have healthy kids too.
Firefly
United Kingdom is not a country.
Religion and broad-mindedness are mutually incompatible.
If it's outside their moral code then it's sin regardless of whether or not it makes any sense. That would involve thinking for themselves.
If it's outside their moral code then it's sin regardless of whether or not it makes any sense. That would involve thinking for themselves.
LOL yeah I don't think so.
incest is a bad idea no matter how you slice it.
you shouldn't want to fuck your sister. doesn't matter how hot she is.
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