UT2k3 failure was not due to poor maps
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Renegade Retard said:People complain about the mini because of it's large spread, high fire rate, and "lockdown." (sorry Brizz, I'm not picking on you Pal)
I tip my hat the Brizz. He's had a distain for quite some time with the mini, but he's making efforts to become better against it.
Don't worry, Ren. It's all constructive around here. I have been EXTREMELY surprised. Besides the few that have railed on me for complaining, everyone else has been extremely helpful in trying to combat my hate for the minigun. I think the main difference between my complaint and others complaints is that I can live with mine. I may hate it, but an hour later I really don't give a crap whether I died by it or not.
The problem that I see from all sides of the community (even those of us that are seasoned) is that we won't try anything new. No one wants to settle when so many things since the demo were changed by the voiced minority so easily. We expect that whatever we want Epic will do to appease us. The fact is THEY WON'T. The ceaseless whining has been going on since Unreal 1, and very few changes have been made to gameplay elements in any patches since UT came out. This is the reason I am am fighting to figure out how to beat the minigun...I'm not expecting Epic to make any changes to it again. I have no right to. The game was almost perfectly balanced when it was released, IMO...the community has really effed everything up.
Mini was perfect @6/12
Aye, I heard no complaints about mini whoring when it was 6/12. After using it for so long, people get used to it finally, then they change the damage up... WTF? Now, if I finish off two frags with it, or get fed up with an irratic ping, cracked out jumpy fool, or my current lack of ability to hit anything and decide to throw rapid, I get called a whore? This has had me playing a lot less lately.
What I don't get is how the community can be so stupid as to complain about it not doing enough damage, then when it does the "right" damage complain about lock down...
Uh, first you want it stronger, then you want it weaker... maybe epic didn't want it's strenght to be it's damage... maybe they wanted it to have other functionality. I just don't understand this community sometimes.
I mean, if something is seriously exploitable, or out of balance, I can understand some contructive critisism, but that is just changing aspects of the game that you don't like to suit your personal tastes, and I think that in whole is what people need to stop doing.
They need to learn to be objective, and try to make the game balanced, and not easy for themselves. Quick conclusions are usually wrong. Expectations for change should take more time. If someone says, "The Miniguns strenght is not it's damage, but lies in it's combination of lockdown, and damage", then they should try before bitching about something, and needing it to change to see the error in their ways.
Aye, I heard no complaints about mini whoring when it was 6/12. After using it for so long, people get used to it finally, then they change the damage up... WTF? Now, if I finish off two frags with it, or get fed up with an irratic ping, cracked out jumpy fool, or my current lack of ability to hit anything and decide to throw rapid, I get called a whore? This has had me playing a lot less lately.
What I don't get is how the community can be so stupid as to complain about it not doing enough damage, then when it does the "right" damage complain about lock down...
Uh, first you want it stronger, then you want it weaker... maybe epic didn't want it's strenght to be it's damage... maybe they wanted it to have other functionality. I just don't understand this community sometimes.
I mean, if something is seriously exploitable, or out of balance, I can understand some contructive critisism, but that is just changing aspects of the game that you don't like to suit your personal tastes, and I think that in whole is what people need to stop doing.
They need to learn to be objective, and try to make the game balanced, and not easy for themselves. Quick conclusions are usually wrong. Expectations for change should take more time. If someone says, "The Miniguns strenght is not it's damage, but lies in it's combination of lockdown, and damage", then they should try before bitching about something, and needing it to change to see the error in their ways.
Speaking of the mini.
You should have seen Brizz and TWD last night on FragBU.
The instant I whipped out the mini, they pulled their shield up and backed off.
It was really getting on my nerves.
You should have seen Brizz and TWD last night on FragBU.
The instant I whipped out the mini, they pulled their shield up and backed off.
It was really getting on my nerves.
Swift Viper
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Is that not the whole point of the shield gun, to protect yourself or am I'm missing the point here?
Swift Viper said:
Absolutely.
But if you read mah posts ^^^^^ up there you'll see the history of Brizz and TWD bitching about the mini.....
And the used to bitch about it in the pubs too, it was so embarrasing.
Yea, I can usually counter with mini, and resort too shield when I have 2 on me... which seems to happen more then I care to talk about...
Sir_Brizz said:If anyone is interested in the perfect anti-minigun maneuver...whip out the shield, dodge away, whip out the shock fire about 5 balls in an array pattern and the pop the last one in their face.
Ya, I had read somewhere that the shock bubbles stop the mini shots. I couldn't believe that it worked so well the first time I tried it.
They block some of the shots but it just doesn't do enough for me :\ All that ever gets me is out of shock ammo.
no way I was wasting people last night with that tactic. There are two fronts to it....either one they move around alot and then end up missing you anyways, or they stand still and get hit by the first and killed by the combo at the end
CS maps are crap for the most part. There is a 2k3 map made after a CS map, I think it was dust or something.Sir_Brizz said:
There are a few maps in the game I dont like, CTF-Citadel, and DM-Antalus come to mind. I dont like those maps, too hilly I think.
it was Aztec, a decent kind of DM map...but worthless gameplay wise for anything else.... shame he converted it to all gametypes...
I actually like and dislike hillmaps they make it more interesting but easy to get stuck in terrain...
I actually like and dislike hillmaps they make it more interesting but easy to get stuck in terrain...
I like Citadel apart from the few places you can get stuck (like the terrain leading up to the Shock). Can't stand Antalus though, the gameplay seems solid enough but I just can't seem to get comfortable fragging in that bright sunny environment - kinda looks too pretty
