naliking said:I just checked Csports.net and UT99 + tactical Ops, has more players than UT2004 with all its mods.
I just checked Csports.net and UT99 with all its mods, has less players than UT2004 with all its mods.
naliking said:I just checked Csports.net and UT99 + tactical Ops, has more players than UT2004 with all its mods.
=subjectiveUT2004 is not game of the year material because A)It has a horrible...
=subjectiveB) Graphics are average,
=subjectiveC)Gameplay is not fun..
=subjective. Most people on these forums (myself included) didn't like UT2003, but many of them DO like UT04..which wouldn't make sense if they were exactly the sameD) 90% of UT2004 is exactly like UT2003
=subjective. You've gone on about this before. Claimed that Onslaught rips off BF:1942. I guess you could make that claim if the rest of us had never played BF:1942 before, but most people have. I own it, have played it a lot, and for me it is nothing like Onslaught except for the fact that you have vehicles. Every aspect of gameplay feels different, but that's just my opinion, which, like YOUR opinion is (you guessed it) SUBJECTIVE!E) UT2004's newest game mode is just a variation of game modes done in other games.
Congratulations!!! That's not subjective. Thats just plain false. I play online a lot, and use the fliters to eliminate servers with bots. Now, if what you said is true, then I wouldn't be able to find any servers, but I have never once had a problem. Onslaught regularly has 60+ servers without bots. (and by the way, you said "E)" twice....E) UT2004 is populated mostly by bots and for an online game that is a disaster.
=subjective. again. That's your opinion. For reasons that I outlined above, I have a different opinion (do you see how easy this subjectivity is to get the hang of?) You've outlined all your reasons above, which as I've shown you are subjective...and therefore your opinion is no more valid than mine.F) There are games more deserving to be nominated as game of the Year.
=subjective. this is according to you. But according to Gamespy it actually IS multiplayer of the year. You don't agree with it, that's just fine, take it up with Gamespy.however it is not multiplayer of the year.
The ability to read is an incredibly useful thing, what I actually said was:Ironically you cannot call me a UT hater since I like UT99
I never said you hated UT, I said you hated UT2k4 because you prefered UT99. You really make it too easy for me..only a blind man with a passionate hatred for UT2k4 and some personal bias against it because he prefers the original UT
I think we have establised the difference between fact and subjective opinions. The only "facts" you have presented have been from CSports. You used these facts to show that UT2k4 is not as popular as Gamespy claims it is. However, when those exact same facts that you presented can be equally argued to prove your opinion wrong..you call into question THE VERY SAME FACTS YOU USED TO PROVE YOUR ARGUMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Do you not see a blatant contradiction here?You claim I'm trolling when I point out facts.
You are wrong, because no-one has said anything that you have proved wrong...you've just offered subjective (I love that word almost as much as you love "fanboy") opinions.That is called responding and setting the record straight
Saying whether a game deserves to be game of the year is subjective in nature but I gave you an opinion intermittently backed up with facts. You just have to learn how to interpret stats.Israphel said:Subjective
Your logic is flawed. If there are 1000 servers and 800 of them are all bots with 1 or 2 players on them then you will still see the other 200 servers which may not have bots at all, but that still does not negate the fact that the majority playing online is often still bots. Play UT2003 at 2AM EST and you will see just how many bots there really areIsraphel said:I play online a lot, and use the fliters to eliminate servers with bots. Now, if what you said is true, then I wouldn't be able to find any servers, but I have never once had a problem. Onslaught regularly has 60+ servers without bots.
You have to understand how Csports works, if you want to interpret the data properly. You already mentioned the argument I listed a while back which was that The amount of people who try a game to see if they like it could be huge, accounting for a huge number of unique aliases ; and Yes you are right in that it can apply to any game but when you combine that with UT2004 daily numbers, it clearly shows that most of the people who tried it did not like it enough to stick with the game for more than a very short amount of time.Israphel said:According to Csports right now, UT2004 is the 10th most popular online game this month. MORE popular than BF:Vietnam by over 120 000 players. This makes it the most popular online game released in 2004, unless you want to include CS:Source, (actually a mod, but if you want to have it your way we'll include it), in which case it is the 2nd most popular game of the year. Pretty darn good for a game which you (*cough*) subjectively claimed is a flop. You mentioned CoD: United Offensive being a 2004 game that is more popular online than UT2k4, however you gave no evidence to show that more people are playing UO and not the original - Csports just lists Call Of Duty.
If they were subtanceless you would not have replied in the first place .Israphel said:I know from previous experience that you will reply for sure, that your reply will contain exactly the same amount of substanceless nonsense that all your posts contain
But the problem is that you're basing your opinions on conjecture, not facts.naliking said:Saying whether a game deserves to be game of the year is subjective in nature but I gave you an opinion intermittently backed up with facts.
Now wait a minute! Isn't that the same Gamespy you said you didn't trust a few posts back? Oh lordy lord...naliking said:Call of Duty United Offensive does have a lot more players than ut2k4 by the way. If you want "proof" just look at Gamespy's breakdown by clicking on COD.
I gave facts. Csports even has an article about the large number of UT2004 players in the first few weeks the game and demo were out. Now contrast that with current numbers. I pointed you to a stat site, so do your research.Ciced said:But the problem is that you're basing your opinions on conjecture, not facts.
I have been told Call Of Duty does not support bots so Gamespy's numbers on games which do not count bots should be fairly accurate on some games which have few or no bots. I did however include the word "proof" in quotations to emphasize that I don't necessarily trust gamespy stats because of games such as UT2k4 which have an overwhelming amount of bots.Ciced said:Now wait a minute! Isn't that the same Gamespy you said you didn't trust a few posts back? Oh lordy lord...
Fair enough, this will be my last post in this thread, unless someone says something outrageous . However it's not about living in the past. People that are choosing UT99 over UT2k* are playing UT99 now and have pc's capable of handling Half-Life2, Far Cry and Doom3. Others just got fed up with the UT2k* and just left the scene altogether. So its not about nostalgia, its about quality and preference. UT99 can be compared to games coming out today because it's still being played quite a bit. If they added vehicles to UT99's atmosphere, then UT2004 would not have lost its UT99 supporters. Of course as time moves on the more outdated the gameplay of games like Quake3 and UT99 become, so change is definitely needed. A game like UT99 unchanged in 2006 would probably fail miserably, so a huge window of opportunity has been lost. Now most think of the UT2k* franchise as rather cheesy.Hal said:Keep on living in the past, naliking. No one is stopping you. But we'd all appreciate it if you didn't feel the need to run through the same tired arguments.
Different game - different time, dude. There's no guarantee that if Unreal Tournament were magically recreated and released right now that it would do any better than UT2004 is doing. In fact, I'd argue that it would do worse because it would lack vehicles, which is one of the big draws to first person shooters these days.
You simply can't compare the two games as they were released at totally different periods of time in gaming and gamers want completely different things these days.
I also find it really sad that you keep having to throw in Tactical Ops to skew your numbers.