TIL from R-Todd Akin that if truely raped women can't get pregnant

[Luv_Studd]

It was bound to happen somewhere:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/31/world/americas/brazil-polyfaithful-union/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Civil Union - 3-way style...

 

[Kyllian]

I also don't really care if science teachers mention intelligent design. But it should not be presented as a viable scientific alternative to what we can actually observe.

When it comes to intelligent design, I'm less annoyed with the idea when it's presented with no specific intelligence in mind. As in could be God, Buddha, Allah, aliens, the will of the universe, etc guiding how life comes to be

Then again, the universe is massive and very old, the possibility that life and evolution are just the results of blind, stupid luck are just as likely as anything else

 

[Sir_Brizz]

When it comes to intelligent design, I'm less annoyed with the idea when it's presented with no specific intelligence in mind. As in could be God, Buddha, Allah, aliens, the will of the universe, etc guiding how life comes to be

Then again, the universe is massive and very old, the possibility that life and evolution are just the results of blind, stupid luck are just as likely as anything else

I agree. I think it's fine to point out there are a lot of ideas out there about how things came to be and how things work, but here is what we can actually observe.

 

[Wormbo]

Intelligent design just shifts the problem: Who designed the designer? In other words, ID splits the problem (How was everything created?) into two parts, then presents an unverifiable and unfalsifiable solution for one part (There is a higher power involved in the creation of everything we know.) and silently ignores the other part. (Who created that designer?)

 

[Jacks:Revenge]

it's funny when you think about it.
intelligent design is really an oxymoron.

because the world and humans are not intelligently designed.
if you want to believe that a higher power designed the nature of reality and existence then you have to believe in a pretty incompetent architect. your designer isn't very intelligent...

it doesn't take a genius to note the gaping flaws in human biology and the world in general.
if you were going to design a vessel for the human spirit (the human body), why would you make it so readily prone to thousands of types of cancer? why would you make it so brittle? why would you include organs that have no function (appendix, etc)? why would you make the mind so susceptible to the destructive emotions of greed and avarice?

if you designed a world to host the human spirit (the Earth), why would you design its weather systems to be so violent? why would you include so many poisonous plants and insects? why would you design the waters to regularly flood and turn against its inhabitants? why would you design asteroids and comets that could (and have in the past) slam into the planet and destroy life as we know it? why would you design the Sun to die and explode? at some point, our entire solar system will be destroyed by the death of the Sun.

this designer sucks.
at the very least, this designer wasn't thinking very far ahead. very poor planning.

 

[Zxanphorian]

it's funny when you think about it.
intelligent design is really an oxymoron.

because the world and humans are not intelligently designed.
if you want to believe that a higher power designed the nature of reality and existence then you have to believe in a pretty incompetent architect. your designer isn't very intelligent...

it doesn't take a genius to note the gaping flaws in human biology and the world in general.
if you were going to design a vessel for the human spirit (the human body), why would you make it so readily prone to thousands of types of cancer? why would you make it so brittle? why would you include organs that have no function (appendix, etc)? why would you make the mind so susceptible to the destructive emotions of greed and avarice?

if you designed a world to host the human spirit (the Earth), why would you design its weather systems to be so violent? why would you include so many poisonous plants and insects? why would you design the waters to regularly flood and turn against its inhabitants? why would you design asteroids and comets that could (and have in the past) slam into the planet and destroy life as we know it? why would you design the Sun to die and explode? at some point, our entire solar system will be destroyed by the death of the Sun.

this designer sucks.

It is all the designer's plan and the designer is testing us on how we deal with these things. Didn't they teach you that when you were little?

 

[phil]

What up,here is a cool dude.

[M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDIb1T4WwDk[/M]

 

[TWD]

Intelligent design just shifts the problem: Who designed the designer? In other words, ID splits the problem (How was everything created?) into two parts, then presents an unverifiable and unfalsifiable solution for one part (There is a higher power involved in the creation of everything we know.) and silently ignores the other part. (Who created that designer?)

This is a problem with all explanations of existence. IE if the big bang started everything then what existed before the big bang? One must assume that either 1)That which started everything was simply self existent or 2)That there was always something before that, and something before that, and so on so forth going off into infinity (no beginning and no end).

because the world and humans are not intelligently designed.
if you want to believe that a higher power designed the nature of reality and existence then you have to believe in a pretty incompetent architect. your designer isn't very intelligent...

it doesn't take a genius to note the gaping flaws in human biology and the world in general.
if you were going to design a vessel for the human spirit (the human body), why would you make it so readily prone to thousands of types of cancer? why would you make it so brittle? why would you include organs that have no function (appendix, etc)? why would you make the mind so susceptible to the destructive emotions of greed and avarice?

if you designed a world to host the human spirit (the Earth), why would you design its weather systems to be so violent? why would you include so many poisonous plants and insects? why would you design the waters to regularly flood and turn against its inhabitants? why would you design asteroids and comets that could (and have in the past) slam into the planet and destroy life as we know it? why would you design the Sun to die and explode? at some point, our entire solar system will be destroyed by the death of the Sun.

this designer sucks.
at the very least, this designer wasn't thinking very far ahead. very poor planning.

Which is all explained in Christian theology by the fall.

 

[Jacks:Revenge]

Which is all explained in Christian theology by the fall.

I have literally no idea what "the fall" is in relation to Christian theology.
you mean the fall of Lucifer??

ok I tried to look it up.
you must be talking about The Fall of Man. from innocent into sin.

but how does that explain why the overall design is so shitty? The Fall should only be ascribed to mankind since we're the ones who brought about sin, but it's not. our poor design is shared by the basic/natural biology of common animals. the same "errors" we exhibit are found in virtually all species; useless organs, susceptibility of the cell and DNA to corruption (cancer), the ability of the immune system to turn on itself, terminal birth defects, even the chemical imbalance that causes homosexuality. why must the rest of the animal kingdom suffer for our misgivings in the Garden of Eden?

these things are not unique to man.
and The Fall still wouldn't explain why the Earth has so many design flaws. or the space around us. why design a solar system for us to live in only to have it implode in a few billion years when the Sun burns out? why set all of these asteroids into motion? some of which have wiped out previous species, others of which constantly threaten to wipe us out.

shitty explanation for shitty design does not a good argument make.

 

[TWD]

The fall of adam and eve.

 

[Jacks:Revenge]

yeah I got it.
see above edit.

 

[TWD]

but how does that explain why the overall design is so shitty? The Fall should only be ascribed to mankind since we're the ones who brought about sin, but it's not. our poor design is shared by the basic/natural biology of common animals. the same "errors" we exhibit are found in virtually all species; useless organs, susceptibility of the cell and DNA to corruption (cancer), the ability of the immune system to turn on itself, terminal birth defects, even the chemical imbalance that causes homosexuality. why must the rest of the animal kingdom suffer for our misgivings in the Garden of Eden?

these things are not unique to man.
and The Fall still wouldn't explain why the Earth has so many design flaws. or the space around us. why design a solar system for us to live in only to have it implode in a few billion years when the Sun burns out? why set all of these asteroids into motion? some of which have wiped out previous species, others of which constantly threaten to wipe us out.

shitty explanation for shitty design does not a good argument make.

Obviously different sects are going to believe different things, but the general idea is that because of the fall everything in this world is in a fallen and imperfect state. That not only includes us, but the animals, and the world its self. For instance, in ancient times it was believed that earth's s axial precession was evidence of its fallen state (eventually the earth's axis will change to point at vega instead of the north star).

As for the sun burning out and so forth I'd say most Christians believe that the end of the world will come long before that anyways. So it would not really be considered irrelevant.

 

[phil]

I like this guy I think we should get married. man.

[M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYwTvSsXOe8[/M]

man.

 

[Jacks:Revenge]

the general idea is that because of the fall everything in this world is in a fallen and imperfect state. That not only includes us, but the animals, and the world its self.

ok.

well that's pretty stupid. as far as explanations go...

 

[phil]

Can someone please explain a god's love as expressed in the creation and maintaining of the Ebola virus since we're in crazy land now?

 

[Wormbo]

Ok, TWD, explain this: God made Adam and Eve. They had only two kids, who were both boys, right? Provided they didn't do their mother, where did all the other humans come from?

That "Bible" book you are reading - it may be full of nice and not-so-nice stories, but it was never intended to be taken literally. Some of its content may have historic background (e.g. Jesus likely existed), but other parts are just made up (e.g. the story around Jesus' birth, which was added much later). Many parts also suffered from translation errors, especially some of the numbers.

Oh, and didn't Jesus die for our sins? How come the world didn't change back into what it was before "The Fall"? Cognitive dissonance FTW!

 

[Firefly]

[M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXRAQyiqx-M[/M]

I don't know whether to be impressed or scared. Juggalo fans are 'different' and I certainly respect them for that.

 

[Kyllian]

There's probably 3 ICP songs I even listen to anymore and more times than not I just skip them when they come up in rotation

 

[Nemephosis]

It's good to see some things never change. Thanks for being constant, guys.

 

[rejecht]

Do not anger the Picard. I have seen him. He's all-powerful.