/me thinks a poll about camping is in order...you know, what is and what isn't camping.
After "n00b", "camper" is probably the second most common way of insulting people in so many Onslaught matches I play...I've had it directed at me a number of times...times when I've been defending a node with a tank ffs...I mean, what's wrong with that?
Reading the exchanges above, I can sympathise with Worf because I HATE it on Torlan when people camp the base with Mantas...on Torlan it's more irritating than most maps, because the Avril isn't in the weapon lockers..so it's harder to get to it before you get hit.
On the other hand, it's a fact of Onslaught that the core is in the base and you have to go in there to shoot it...and the Manta is the best vehicles to do it in as its fast and it's harder to bring it down with an Avril in a tight space. So when you go in to hit the core, at that point, the only place the enemy can spawn is in the base...so people are going to shoot at you..what do you do? Ignore them and let them kill you because you don't want to be a camper....it's a very fine line.
Personally, I kill them...I don't call it camping as it's not hanging around a base waiting for lazy kills...people who do that when the action is in another part of the map are real campers. For example, Arctic Stronghold, the battles are all in the middle of the map, but someone is standing on a hill with an LG headshotting people when they spawn in the base. It serves no real tactical purpose, and if someone does that to me, I am highly likely to be irritated enough to kill them.
So I guess you can call camping lazy kills that serve no tactical purpose....but even then it's a fine line. ONS-Crossfire for example. When you are attacking the enemy core, its a very short ride from the second node from your own base (where the tank and raptor spawn) to the enemy core in the tank. You can roll the tank up on the hill and shoot the hell out of the core with it. You can also shoot people as they spawn. Is it camping? Well, no because you are attacking their core, and at the same time defending your own node that links you to their core...you're just defending it in their base
...which is admittedly further back. But yes its camping because it FEELS like camping when you do it..it doesn't feel fair because you know you're not giving people chance to play the game..and ultimately, we all want to actually play, not just get killed the second we spawn. Surely enjoying ourselves is more important than winning/getting a high score...if your tactics deliberatly stop people from playing or having any chance to enjoy the game...then of course they'll get pissed off. It FEELS like camping because I hate it when it happens to ME...Admittedly, you can eventually take the tank out if you stand under the brow of the hill and shoot flak secondaries over it, but you will certainly die at least once in doing so.
So apologies for the thread derailment (although Worf and Huggy started it
), as I said at the beginning, maybe its possible to start a thread on it.
PS: Going back to Torlan, a nice trick to kill the core that isn't really camping is to pick up the spider mines from the lateral-centre nodes, get a manta and if you hit the jump at the righ moment at speed coming over the hill from the side of the core, you can land it on top of the sniper tower in enemy base...killing anyone sniping there. RESIST the urge to drop spider mines down into their base, and instead cover the area around the teleporter with spidermines, so if anyone comes to get you...they'll die. Then shoot the core from up there with the link primary, or if someone is in the turret firing up at you, flick flak secondaries or grenades over while you stand back from the edge. Not really camping, and very successful tactically as you are very hard to remove. But again, this is only true if you are actually attacking the core...do it at any other time and it's lazy kills/camping thrills
