M82 Barret

[Meplat]

From a "tested" standpoint? You ever have to carry one? They're damn heavy, and simply huge. At the point where you're toting a M82 about, the thought of "I could be lugging a MG3 and a few cans of ammo" pops in..

Meplat-

 

[sir_edmond]

O so that every one can use them you have to fire it aimed and not whie moving. but I dont think any one in real life will walk ar ount with those things fireing it randomly.

 

[Gnam]

MP7? Wont it be overkill? too good, not yet in millitary.

Actually, HKPro just put up a picture on their front page of the MP7 "In service in South Korea".

 

[RedMarlin[MERLIN]]

If we put in any sniper rifle we should put in the M40a1 and that would be it I think 3 sniper rifles would be a good number.

This is the m40a1 the Marines standard issue sniper rifle

Manufacturer: Specially trained armorers at Quantico, Virginia.
Length: 44 inches (111.76 centimeters)
Barrel length: 24 inches (61 centimeters)
Weight: :14.5 pounds (6.58 kilograms)
Bore diameter: 7.62mm (.308 inches)
Maximum effective range: 1000 yards (914 meters)
Muzzle velocity: 2550 feet (777 meters) per second
Chamber pressure: 50,000 psi
Magazine capacity: 5 rounds
Unit Replacement Cost: $2,105


Features: The M40A1 sniper rifle is based on the Remington model 700. It is a heavy barrel, bolt action, magazine fed 7.62mm rifle that is optimized for accuracy with Match Grade ammunition. The rifle is equipped with a special 10 power Unertl sniper scope. With a scope the rifle weighs approximately 14.5 pounds. It is equipped with a built-in five round magazine. This weapon is hand-made by specially trained and qualified armorers at Headquarters Marine Corps, Quantico, Virginia.


The unique characteristics of the M40A1 Sniper Rifle are:
A) Commercial competition-grade heavy barrel
B) McMillan fiberglass stock and butt pad
C) Modified Winchester Model 70 floorplate and trigger guard
D) Modified and lightened trigger
E) In addition, each stock is epoxy bedded for accuracy
F) All weapons must shoot less than one minute of angle (MOA).


Background: The M40A1 was put into service in the 1970's to meet the need of a long range sniper rifle. Each rifle is hand built by specially trained and qualified personnel at the Marine Corps Marksmanship Training Unit (MTU) at Headquarters Marine Corps, Quantico, Virginia.

 

[Grim_Reaper ~UFS~]

hmm.. european, but not german sniper bolt action? I have a fitting candidate:

Guess from what manufacturer! Right, from Steyr Mannlicher, the Steyr SSG!

All good ol' .308 Winchester Ammo aka 7.62mm NATO

eww...that gun is not teh seckz

I'd suggest the SSG3000, but that's just me.

I've always wanted an M14 also. If included, the M14 would be a double bonus (battle rifle and sniper rifle w/ scope attached, and a damn good one at that)

 

[keihaswarrior]

I agree with cloudone on the m40. I also think the that the Steyr Scout Tactical would be a good addition because it is unique and still balanced. The feature that sets it apart is its low bulk due to the small size and low weight. The fact that it has less range and is bolt action would balance it.

 

[OICW]

I think there should be an SVD and a larger calibre than 7.62X51 (NOT .50 BMG though) bolt action rifle, like maybe the Remington 700 in .300 Winchester Magnum or the Accuracy International "Super Magnum" in either that calibre or .338 Lapua Magnum.

 

[Rostam]

Bah, it might just be the pessimistic me but where the hell are all the real weapon specialists? All this talk about this would be cool, that would be neat is pointless.

We had so many posts like this before, the general outcome was:
PSG-1 should be replaced by the MSG90, almost the same thing but it would be more milspec.
The Robar needs to be replaced by any 7.62 NATO bolt action rifle with a zoom function. Again, for milspecness. For all I care just leave it out though.
The Desert eagle is not milspec, drawing it's obvious conclusions.
AKMSU is a weird one, it could be replaced by a krinkov (which is from what I hear basicly the same thing) or it could be replaced by an AKM which would make a big group of people happy.

But, the result of all this talk is nothing. I wish you would talk more about it for the purpose of the game, not just 'coolness'. Every weapon in INF has it's own purpose right now. The only thing 'missing' would be a battle rifle.
Now, we can discuss all we want about battle rifles. There is no chance anything will happen unless you start thinking how it would reflect in game.

I doubt the thread starter minds this being hijacked. The m82 will never see daylight in this game I think we can all agree.

 

[spm1138]

The M40A3(isn't it 3 now?) is nice but I think an Accuracy International product would perhaps be a better bet because they have been bought by a number of different countries AFAIK whereas the M40 is used by the USMC only (I think the Army and Navy have their own variations on the same theme).

 

[Psychomorph]

@Rostam:
Ok, let´s speak serious. I saw on german TV a magazine, about the GSG9. A Sniper (masked of course) had an AWP (Accuracy International). He talked about operations, where he had to wait days hidden under a tan net. He explained the AWP a little bit. It has military cammo "skin" and looked... of course... cool. It´s a real milspec longrange sniperrifle, where a .50 Cal Rifle is useless, cuz the AWP is doing the same job as a .50 Cal Rifle on human targets, on same range, but has smaller design and is lighter. Is that serious enough?

 

[RedMarlin[MERLIN]]

Speaking of battle rifles, has the the team ever planned on putting in the G3? I was practicing some sniping today and I don't know how I didn't notice it but the PSG1 mags are G3 mags.

 

[Tiffy]

@Rostam:
Ok, let´s speak serious. I saw on german TV a magazine, about the GSG9. A Sniper (masked of course) had an AWP (Accuracy International). He talked about operations, where he had to wait days hidden under a tan net. He explained the AWP a little bit. It has military cammo "skin" and looked... of course... cool. It´s a real milspec longrange sniperrifle, where a .50 Cal Rifle is useless, cuz the AWP is doing the same job as a .50 Cal Rifle on human targets, on same range, but has smaller design and is lighter. Is that serious enough?

Even the new British Army sniper rifle, made by AI and shooting the .338 Lapua round would be hard pressed to match a Barrett for range. The limiting factor with all these long range weapons is target aqusition. A man in camo's standing still next to a small tree at 300m is nearly invisable to the naked eye doing a quick scan, if he bothers to attempt to hide by lying down your not going to see him at that range at all and will have a hard time of it at 100m. A scoped rifle may take this range up to a kilometer or a bit more. Most of the recent large calibre sniper rifles will shoot out to that range doing significant damage to a target. The reason your GSG9 soldier doesn't use a .50 rifle is he doesn't need to. He's looking to get a shot at about 300-400m at most and the weapon he has is adequate for the task.

Would you use a 40-tonne truck to go to the corner shop and by a bottle of milk? Same thing with weapons. You don't hunt pigeon with a machinegun or snipe at 500m with a Barrett

 

[Psychomorph]

No, I meant that AWP is good enough for exactly his job... means shooting on humans up too 1000 meters (which is INF situation). If INF would have distances up to 2000 and special tasks, than a .50BMG would be the optimal thing, but look at INF´s situation, fast moving small targets (humans), which comes closer, you, as sniper have to be able to change your position faster, and the maps are short enough for a good AWP, so M82 Barret would just limmits you senseless (or other heavy, big .50BMG rifles).
That´s what I mean.

 

[Rostam]

No, Psychomorph. I agree the Robar should be out or replaced. But there is little chance it will change gameplay so it's definately not a priority.

 

[Psychomorph]

But I think it wouldn´t change that much, cuz a AWP wouldn´t be that different. It would act the same, wold be still a heavy rifle, kill in one shot, zoom in/out, bolt action, 5 rounds mag. It wouldn´t change anything, but it would feel more realistic and THAT`S what all the story is about.

 

[Gnam]

What other .338 Lapua sniper rifles are available? Which one is the best/most commonly used/most milspec? Are there other calibres capable of the kind of 1-shot-kill-even-in-the-foot performance we see of the .50 BMG in Inf? If we're going to suggest a replacement for the anti-material rifle, we should look at all our options instead of just jumping on the first suggestion that comes up.

In terms of killing power in Inf, how would a bolt action 7.62x51 compair to a semi-auto 7.62x51? I know bolt actions are supposed to be more powerfull, but would it make a big difference?

 

[SaraP]

What other .338 Lapua sniper rifles are available? Which one is the best/most commonly used/most milspec? Are there other calibres capable of the kind of 1-shot-kill-even-in-the-foot performance we see of the .50 BMG in Inf? If we're going to suggest a replacement for the anti-material rifle, we should look at all our options instead of just jumping on the first suggestion that comes up.

The only .338 Lapua I'm really familiar with is my beloved Dakota Arms T-76 Longbow, which is a sniper variant of the the Dakota Arms Model 76 series bolt-action rifle. The Longbow costs $4300 and is rated for 0.5 MOA accuracy out of the box; it weighs 13.5 pounds, is fifty to fifty-two inches long depending on how the stock is adjusted, and sports a 28" match-grade Lothar Walther LW-50 stainless steel barrel.

 

[MP_Lord_Kee]

Guys, I'm not getting one thing. All this talk about taking out this and that weapon sort of confuses me. Have you at all taken into the consideration how much work the developers have put on those weapons? Countless hours of modelling, texturing, balancing, testing...I don't actually have any idea how much work it is other than a lot.
Ok, so some of the weapons ain't completely milspec but as far as I know, they are still real weapons and they are in balance within the game. Its not like we are talking about some überweapons breaking the game.
So why not just wait for the developers to make up their own minds on the removal issues? I don't want to start a discussion about this, only pointing out something you might want to consider.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing more weapons, any kind of weapons as long as they are done with the same quality standards as the ones already in the game. I don't see a problem with having two nearly identical weapons, with equal specifications in game. The more the ...you get the point.

For future version, on UT2k4 or whatever engine, I'd love to see more detail put to the sniping part particulary, make it more "real", more something you really would have to train for before mastering.

.338 Lapua...interesting, didn't know. www.lapua.com. Finnish company (just proves how little I know/care about facts I guess..)

//Kee

 

[yurch]

So why not just wait for the developers to make up their own minds on the removal issues?

That's boring.

 

[cleve-ntt]

I quite like the robar.

I like the M82 as well, just wondering if it was "unrealistic" or "overkill" - which is what it is