[lolitics]Your thoughts on offshore drilling after this mess.
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Lizard Of Oz
Demented Avenger
I didn't say it didn't get done. I was just pointing out the NIMBY attitude wasn't exclusive to any specific political party.
It is an incorrect idea. Also, "is" refers to present-term. Otherwise he would have said "was".
There is lobbying... and then there's all the other stuff you mentioned.
otoh it's not acceptable to have a situation where such equality doesn't exist, where only a few are heared or have the power to be heared, it just weakens democracy. It's not acceptable to stomp it either. In an huge country where some live thousands of km away from central goverment, it's already extremely hard to be influencial, in practice only a few can have their voice heared. It's just that natural selection has no place in democracy.
Then regarding free speech, it's quite possible it will look like supressing today's predominant lobbyists freedom of speech! Of course, if there are 3 people at the table, someone introducing a 4th will be called a thief or denying their freedom or whatever excuse they come up with.
Ok, I'm done here.
That's why we have federalism/state-rights and a weak federal government. At least, we're supposed to.
Which is why your idea of banning lobbyists is not a good one. But going further than that, equality means that everyone has an equal opportunity to speak, whether it be individually or as a group.
You need to study the US government because you don't demonstrate understanding of how it is supposed to work.
Wha?
The lobbying part should be separate from the campaign donations part. But is it really? Of course not. If a politician wants to get re-elected he needs money to spend. Does he get donations from the same interests that are lobbying? Yes, he does. Is this a quid pro quo? Difficult to prove because winking eyes are not presentable as evidence in a US court.
The whole campaign finance part of politics is part of the gray area, the conflict of interest area. As an employee where I am, I am limited to a maximum $25 value per gift and max total of $50 per year from any outside vendors or contractors my company uses or may use and I have to fill out paperwork. This includes meal,s so it's not likely I will be tempted by any wining or dining. Politics has no such limit.
The same problem exists within a political party. You want to be involved in your party, but if you do not vote the way the party whip tells you, you do not get anything. You may think you electing an independent rep who will fight for you, no way, they must do what they are told or the party will not support them and they likely will not get re-elected.
I personally do not like the 2 party system as it is today. Party politics trumps all and money buys influence. It also looks like the Supreme court likes it that way too. I guess they are also bought and paid for. Maybe that's just the way it is because we let it get that way. How do we change it? I am not so sure we can.
The whole campaign finance part of politics is part of the gray area, the conflict of interest area. As an employee where I am, I am limited to a maximum $25 value per gift and max total of $50 per year from any outside vendors or contractors my company uses or may use and I have to fill out paperwork. This includes meal,s so it's not likely I will be tempted by any wining or dining. Politics has no such limit.
The same problem exists within a political party. You want to be involved in your party, but if you do not vote the way the party whip tells you, you do not get anything. You may think you electing an independent rep who will fight for you, no way, they must do what they are told or the party will not support them and they likely will not get re-elected.
I personally do not like the 2 party system as it is today. Party politics trumps all and money buys influence. It also looks like the Supreme court likes it that way too. I guess they are also bought and paid for. Maybe that's just the way it is because we let it get that way. How do we change it? I am not so sure we can.
yea, you're version is better. I noticed that too, but was too lazy to fix it since I figured it got the point across
Please don't go on rehashing my first post. That's why I started thinking about a proper method, remembered, and actually found it in that PDF. Consider this:
[M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m17VkNIbymA[/M]
If it's hard to do anything against the ones that buy politicians, then please make sure everyone else has a seat at a table.
That's not the point. I have enough understanding (for my needs) on how the US government works, and how an widespread goverment is supposed to work. However, I have even better understanding on how hard in practice it is to be heared and be taken into consideration when you belong to a peripheric region, even with all the structure in place. It can be ****ing frustrating, even with stuff like this: http://ec.europa.eu/europedirect/call_us/index_en.htm
Kevin Costner to the rescue!
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/kevin-costner-machine-bp-oil-clean/story?id=10689928
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/kevin-costner-machine-bp-oil-clean/story?id=10689928
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oh, and I usually don't agree with Skeletor, but he's making some sense...
[m]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObrZwCVKR-c[/m]
[m]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObrZwCVKR-c[/m]
blah blah blah politics blah blah
That's all I heard. Who gives a **** how it's going to affect Obama politically? There's a big hole in the earth's crust that is ejecting crude oil at an alarming rate into the ocean and it needs to be fixed. The federal government should just find someone, anyone, who can god damn fix it and make them fix it and then charge BP for it.
That's all I heard. Who gives a **** how it's going to affect Obama politically? There's a big hole in the earth's crust that is ejecting crude oil at an alarming rate into the ocean and it needs to be fixed. The federal government should just find someone, anyone, who can god damn fix it and make them fix it and then charge BP for it.
slayerdragon wins :tup:
less bickering, more fixing the planet. since it's like, the only one we have.
less bickering, more fixing the planet. since it's like, the only one we have.
