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Benfica

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Making it illegal to dispose of chemicals anywhere you please isn't about helping businesses, it's about preventing damage to the environment. The EPA's regulations generally fall in that category.
You should be careful about EnergySolutions there in your state. They want to import Italian nuclear waste
 

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  • Ugh, not this cap & trade business again...

Also you are inferring that the EPA is some sort of authoritarian that controls everything we buy.

I'm saying that they want to try to bypass congress and impose their own version of cap and trade. So, yes.

it's not hair splitting.
it's a reality check.
no, I'm not.

correlation does not equal causation.
"probably" is not scientific language.
lol, look who's talking...
this doesn't change the fact that there are numerous outlying factors unaccounted for by the data you chose to provide as your evidence. it doesn't hold up to the conclusion you are attempting to draw for it. end of story.
Hey guess what? Obama wants to legislate safer sidewalks. That means you should jump off a building. After all, they can change BASIC PHYSICS (look up momentum = mv and that kind of fun stuff). But hell, the fact that many ppl die jumping off buildings is just a correlation and doesn't imply causation.

Really, you should try it. You only live once and you could die tomorrow not knowing what it's like :lol:
 
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Jesting aside regulations are needed to control the greed of businesses and corporations.
 
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Go figure, the design of the car is more important than simple weight. SHOCKING!

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Design is important, but that's still not correct. You have to factor in the environment for the collision as well. It's all dependent on circumstance.

Modern cars use a monocoque shell design (aka unibody.) What this means is, there is no real 'frame' in the form of solid frame rails like there are on trucks and older cars. Instead, there are core support structures, and those are attached to the body panels, and the panels/supports themselves are all load-bearing. They design these monocoque shells in a way so that they have 'crumple-zones' meaning there are places in the shell that are designed to crumple and absorb the impact of a collision.

The core problem with this is a combination of design and mass. I will demonstrate below.

Take a newer car with a monocoque shell and crumple zones. Send it into a brick wall at 60mph, or send it into another newer car with relatively same weight driving the opposite direction head-on at 45mph. Chances are, the passengers will live, especially if it is a head-on collision. This is because the crumple zones absorb the impact of the collision, thereby bringing the car to a stop in a slow, controlled manner instead of the car stopping instantly. Remember that many car crash fatalities are not caused by bodily damage from external objects inside the vehicle, but by the force of the sudden stop.

However, take that same car and send it head-on into a Chevy Suburban doing 45mph. You know what happens to the car? The shell implodes and pieces of it go flying, and the passenger compartment folds up like a tin-can. When the crumple zones hit their breaking point the car will instantly stop and change direction (whatever direction the Suburban sent it in.) As a result, chances are the passengers in the car are dead. Why is this? Because crumple-zones are only effective to a certain point. Once they pass a certain amount of stress, they can do no more good, and at that point the entire structure of the shell basically folds-in on itself. The reason it happens here is because the Suburban weighs two or three times as much as the car. It also has a solid-rail frame working against it, meaning the Suburban's frame will bend, but won't crumple. Something has got to give, and you can be sure that it won't be the Suburban.

In the end, the Suburban will come out with moderate (but fixable) damage in the front. Meanwhile, the car will be in hundreds of jagged, bloody pieces strewn across the highway. Even if the Suburban shared the same monocoque shell design, chances are it would still kill everyone in the smaller car simply because it's mass would overpower the crumple zones in the car's design.

The moral of the story is -- until all cars are monocoque and are all roughly the same weight, people will keep dying in large numbers.
 

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I'm saying that they want to try to bypass congress and impose their own version of cap and trade. So, yes.

Taking things out of context much? I was also referring to the ludicrous assumption that the EPA would force people to have low-flow toilets, triple pane windows, or energy star tv's, to name a few.


What does this have to do anything about regulators and regulation? It so just happens that it was top SEC officials that did this. Every firm or organization has top executives that do these things.

Maybe if executives of private companies lay off the porn, maybe they wouldn't even need to have regulations in their respective sectors of the market, if they replace the porn with self-regulation. ;)

It is worth noting that I don't condone these activities in the workplace, and they should have appropriate punishments. What I am getting at is that this happens everywhere, so it is nothing new and it is nothing shocking.

*microquotes*

I guess we agree to disagree, but that still doesn't resolve the issue.
 
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Taking things out of context much? I was also referring to the ludicrous assumption that the EPA would force people to have low-flow toilets, triple pane windows, or energy star tv's, to name a few.
Ludicrous assumption? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Here's just one example of many:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/cap-and-trade-a-license-required-for-your-home.html
Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Cap and Trade Act, you won’t be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. H.R. 2454, the “Cap & Trade” bill passed by the House of Representatives, if also passed by the Senate, will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced.

^^ This includes lighting fixtures, stoves, furnaces, dish/clothe washers and just about anything else energy related.

What does this have to do anything about regulators and regulation? It so just happens that it was top SEC officials that did this. Every firm or organization has top executives that do these things.
Yea, but private firms waste their own money doing it, not taxpayer's AND when they fail it doesn't affect the entire system they're supposed to be regulating.

It also illustrates that there's already plenty laws and regulations on the book, but instead of enforcing them, they just want more. More, regulations and laws that empower the feds.

How about that coal mine accident? They had several code violations, yet weren't forced to fix them

How about that oil rig in the gulf that exploded the other day? Passed all inspections. :rolleyes:
 
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Porn quality must be regulated. If it were, the SEC guys wouldn't have spended so much time searching for quality one
 

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You'll always get people who tell you that they should be able to buy whatever they want no matter what its made of or where it comes from. Those people are called ignorant.

Realize that humans are such a strong force on the planet now that even changing small things in our day to day lives can have a positive effect on the environment.

If you want to do whatever you want there are lots of countries who give even less of a crap about the environment. Just because you are born in America doesn't mean you have the right to do whatever you want without anyone stepping in.

I could get into it more, but there isn't much point on these forums. I've offended the ignorant and laid my stake with the intelligent. Job done.
 

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You'll always get people who tell you that they should be able to buy whatever they want no matter what its made of or where it comes from. Those people are called ignorant.

Realize that humans are such a strong force on the planet now that even changing small things in our day to day lives can have a positive effect on the environment.

If you want to do whatever you want there are lots of countries who give even less of a crap about the environment. Just because you are born in America doesn't mean you have the right to do whatever you want without anyone stepping in.

I could get into it more, but there isn't much point on these forums. I've offended the ignorant and laid my stake with the intelligent. Job done.
 

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How will America ever compete with china if we cannot polute as much as they do????????

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We cannot let our great powerful nation fall behind! Recycling is a liberal poly to turn all able bodied men into HOMOSEXUALS!
 

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Hey guess what? Obama wants to legislate safer sidewalks. That means you should jump off a building. After all, they can change BASIC PHYSICS (look up momentum = mv and that kind of fun stuff). But hell, the fact that many ppl die jumping off buildings is just a correlation and doesn't imply causation.
you're not very good at this whole point/counter-point thing, are you?
 

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You'll always get people who tell you that they should be able to buy whatever they want no matter what its made of or where it comes from. Those people are called ignorant....
If you want to do whatever you want there are lots of countries who give even less of a crap about the environment. Just because you are born in America doesn't mean you have the right to do whatever you want without anyone stepping in.
This just illustrates both of your ignorance.

Do either of you own a home in the US that's over 30 years old that you plan on selling at some point? No? Oh gee, what a coincidence. And guess what? I do, and I don't really like the idea of being forced to replace the majority of the appliances, light fixtures, etc... because a bunch of unelected bureaucrats say so. And, not for safety reasons, but because it will stop global warming


you're not very good at this whole point/counter-point thing, are you?
you mean like you denying that cafe standards, making cars smaller and from plastic parts doesn't cause deaths?
 
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