How Success Killed Duke Nukem Forever
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You've got to be kidding me. A product that long in development and so close to completion, and they just keep whacking at it until they bankrupt themselves?
Well said, exactly what I was thinking when reading it. I'm sure many of you fellow creative types here know all too well what it can do to your projects and lives sometimes
I hope that the people over 3D Realms will be sent to the moon one fine day.
Without any oxygen of couse. For all the BS and attention wh*ring, seriously...
Did you read it all? I don't think it's fair to just say the people. The problem appeared to be mainly with Broussard and his obsessions, not the devs.
what a great article, excellently written. Felt refreshing to hear such an account of the journey from start to finish, with better inside info than just rumours and speculation.
Wow, that's new. I never thought that the game could be dragged on for so long because of it's imperfection (or at least partially). Too bad good old Duke didn't have a say in this...
I am wondering why 1 title was treated like it would be the last duke game of his life. Surely being the intelligent guys they are they would have thought, hmm let's get it released (under the quake or earlier unreal engine for example) and then see what happens after that, if there's demand for a further duke game or not. Seems to be like there was much fear for duke failing as well as perfectionism, extreme form of obsessive competitiveness also. We all know you don't need the latest engine to bring out a great game, sigh. It really is a sad story
You aren't a part of us. So YOU are not included in "we". We are game-devs and the article is interesting to read. Average gamers might not care as they don't get something for their mindless consuming-habits-
I never played the original Duke. I heard it was a great game. I always held out hope for the release of the new one. Too bad. All of that work lost.
Indeed. Making major design decisions about a game in the 11th hour is the best way to keep it from ever being released.
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It isn't uncommon. After all, lots and lots of games, mods and other software products all go under just like this.
And that sort of stuff happens because they did not really know what the end-product should be like.
Considering their history one would be tempted to think that no one had a clue as to what software-development really is about.
Heck ... I know a project with a similar history and in a similar state of non-release because of the exact same lack of vision and project-management-skills by those responsible ...
And that is the sad part.
We know how to prevent it.
There's a ton of info on how to do it properly dating back to last century even (and even further if you compare it to the processes involved in building houses and other structures).
I guess everone continues to underestimate the complexities of software-design simply because it is something that appears 'easy to fix'.
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You can afford to do that with mods since everyone is doing it in their free time and you have no pressure to get it out of the door, but you're one of the biggest devs around you can't afford to **** about as people's livelihood depends on that game. I would be extremely pissed at Broussard if I worked for 3DR.[SAS]Solid Snake;2399817 said:
Can you afford it any more with mods? I don't know if I count my free time as less valuable than my paid time, personally.
As Solidsnake says, what went wrong with DNF is all too common to see in mod teams around the globe and I'm pretty sure with professional teams as well, lack of coherent vision, poor planning, reaction to external events and a team leader with more self-belief than understanding of the technical work being done...all issues that can kill a game.
Currently I spend alot of time browsing the UDK forums as that's what I'm working with, where I see mini-broussards espousing their ideas and trying to whip up interest and team members...these days they all have their "<insert forum name> studios" title and grand ideas, all of whom are convinced that their own vision will blow the world away, all of whom have absolutely no idea what they have to do, only that they want it done.
I feel bad for the 3dr team who slugged away for years with no end in sight, must be majorly demoralising. My understanding is that some pretty talented artists wasted good years of their lives there and that's a shame for them and us.
As Solidsnake says, what went wrong with DNF is all too common to see in mod teams around the globe and I'm pretty sure with professional teams as well, lack of coherent vision, poor planning, reaction to external events and a team leader with more self-belief than understanding of the technical work being done...all issues that can kill a game.
Currently I spend alot of time browsing the UDK forums as that's what I'm working with, where I see mini-broussards espousing their ideas and trying to whip up interest and team members...these days they all have their "<insert forum name> studios" title and grand ideas, all of whom are convinced that their own vision will blow the world away, all of whom have absolutely no idea what they have to do, only that they want it done.
I feel bad for the 3dr team who slugged away for years with no end in sight, must be majorly demoralising. My understanding is that some pretty talented artists wasted good years of their lives there and that's a shame for them and us.